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Über 32.000 Teilnehmende, ein nahezu komplett auf AI ausgelegtes Programm und mittendrin Jan Gregor von der programmier.bar, der uns seine Eindrücke direkt aus Las Vegas mitbringt. \u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Was sofort auffällt: Der Shift hin zu AI ist nicht zu übersehen. Kaum eine Session kommt noch ohne aus, oft geht es um Agents, Tooling und die Integration von Modellen in bestehende Systeme. Gleichzeitig zeigt sich aber auch ein Reifegrad: Viele Inhalte richten sich nicht mehr nur an Early Adopters, sondern an Teams, die AI jetzt produktiv in ihre Prozesse bringen müssen. Themen wie Identity, Policies oder Enterprise-Integration sind deutlich präsenter als noch vor ein paar Jahren.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Für erfahrene Entwickler:innen fühlt sich das teilweise weniger nach „Next Big Thing“ und mehr nach Evolution an. Die großen Durchbrüche bleiben aus, stattdessen wird iteriert, integriert und operationalisiert. Genau da wird es spannend: Wie bringen Unternehmen AI wirklich in ihre Produkte? Und wo stehen wir gerade zwischen Model-Fortschritt und tatsächlicher Produktentwicklung?\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Ein Highlight sind deshalb vor allem die Sessions mit Leuten aus der Praxis – etwa von Anthropic, Replit oder Factory AI. Hier geht es weniger um Feature-Announcements und mehr um echte Learnings. Zum Beispiel die These vom „Model Overhang“: Modelle sind aktuell weiter als die Produkte, die wir darauf bauen. Noch. Denn dieser Vorsprung scheint zu schrumpfen – ein möglicher Wendepunkt für die nächsten Jahre.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Auch beim Thema Pricing zeichnet sich ein Wandel ab. Weg von tokenbasierten Modellen hin zu festeren Preisen pro Feature oder Ergebnis. Für Nutzer:innen nachvollziehbarer, für Anbieter:innen aber auch riskanter, zumindest solange die Modelle noch nicht stabil genug kalkulierbar sind.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Abseits der Inhalte bleibt die Konferenz selbst ein Erlebnis: riesig, aufwendig produziert und mit einem klaren Fokus auf Austausch. Gleichzeitig stößt die Organisation bei der Größe an ihre Grenzen mit überfüllten Keynotes und langen Wegen. Las Vegas als Location trägt seinen Teil bei und ist beeindruckend, aber auch ein Stück weit losgelöst vom eigentlichen „Google-Gefühl“.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp>Unterm Strich ist die Google Cloud Next 2026 vor allem eins: ein Spiegel dessen, wo die Branche gerade steht. AI ist angekommen und das nicht mehr als Experiment, sondern als Pflichtprogramm. Die großen Sprünge bleiben (vorerst) aus, dafür wird es konkret. Und genau das macht die Konferenz für viele Unternehmen aktuell so relevant.\u003C\u002Fp>","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.buzzsprout.com\u002F176239\u002Fepisodes\u002F19195290-spezialfolge-google-cloud-next-2026-aus-las-vegas.mp3",{"id":14,"title":15,"description":8,"tags":8,"location":8,"filename_disk":16,"filename_download":17,"metadata":18,"type":19,"filesize":20,"modified_by":8,"modified_on":21,"embed":8,"uploaded_by":22,"uploaded_on":23,"folder":8,"width":24,"height":24,"charset":8,"duration":8},"ea465861-617a-480f-b703-79286b87e22b","Generated Image May 04, 2026   5 53 Pm","ea465861-617a-480f-b703-79286b87e22b.jpg","Generated Image May 04, 2026 - 5_53PM.jpg",{},"image\u002Fjpeg","513746","2026-05-04T15:53:50.643Z","11a655b6-bcfc-4c6c-a13c-68189e38edb9","2026-05-04T15:53:50.641Z",1024,[],[27,44,59],{"member":28},{"id":29,"first_name":30,"last_name":31,"occupation":32,"description":33,"normal_image":34},"47099351-508c-44d9-a2a2-855181c72ee8","Jan Gregor","Emge-Triebel","\u002F\u002F programmier.bar Tech Community Lead \u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Jan ist ein echter Technik-Fan mit einer facettenreichen Karriere, die sich über Web-, Mobile-App-Entwicklung und DevOps erstreckt. Dank seiner vielfältigen Rollen – vom Entwickler über den Teamleiter bis hin zum Vice President Development – verfügt Jan über einen großen Erfahrungsschatz in der Softwareentwicklung und Developer Advocacy.\u003Cbr>Seine Leidenschaften jenseits der Technik reichen von Tauchgängen an exotischen Orten über das Eintauchen in digitale wie analoge Spiele bis hin zum Abtauchen in gelungene Plot-Twists in Büchern und Filmen.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":35,"title":36,"description":8,"tags":8,"location":8,"filename_disk":37,"filename_download":38,"metadata":39,"type":19,"filesize":40,"modified_by":8,"modified_on":41,"embed":8,"uploaded_by":42,"uploaded_on":43,"folder":8,"width":24,"height":24,"charset":8,"duration":8},"ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b","Jan CD","ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b.jpg","Jan_CD.jpg",{},"649400","2024-07-26T09:26:17.846Z","e97179d2-51b3-4deb-828f-9524091441f5","2024-07-26T09:26:17.710Z",{"member":45},{"id":46,"first_name":47,"last_name":48,"occupation":49,"description":50,"normal_image":51},"958f6624-c721-4ff9-8a97-69148f540945","Dennis","Becker","\u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dennis ist Head of Development bei Lotum und kümmert sich liebevoll um die Entwickler:innen und deren Weiterentwicklung. \u003Cbr>In den Podcastfolgen übernimmt Dennis gerne die Moderation. Beim täglichen Tischtennis ist er immer am Start und seit wenigen Jahren passionierter Kitesurfer. Mittlerweile ist er auch Vibe Coder mit Leidenschaft und überzeugt, dass seine Kolleg:innen AI unterschätzen. \u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":52,"title":53,"description":8,"tags":8,"location":8,"filename_disk":54,"filename_download":55,"metadata":8,"type":19,"filesize":56,"modified_by":8,"modified_on":57,"embed":8,"uploaded_by":8,"uploaded_on":58,"folder":8,"width":24,"height":24,"charset":8,"duration":8},"7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9","Dennis Becker","7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9.jpg","dennis_becker_normal_01e352e682.jpg","45729","2022-01-16T14:26:35.196Z","2021-12-30T14:16:28.647Z",{"member":60},{"id":61,"first_name":62,"last_name":63,"occupation":64,"description":65,"normal_image":66},"af60e6ac-beb7-4eff-8fe8-bb017558368e","Garrelt","Mock","\u002F\u002F Software Developer \u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Garrelt bereichert das Podcast-Team mit seinem umfangreichen Wissen über eine Vielzahl von Tech-Themen. 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Seine vielseitigen Interessen und seine Begeisterung für Technologie machen ihn zu einer wertvollen Ergänzung des Teams.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":67,"title":68,"description":8,"tags":8,"location":8,"filename_disk":69,"filename_download":70,"metadata":71,"type":19,"filesize":72,"modified_by":8,"modified_on":73,"embed":8,"uploaded_by":42,"uploaded_on":74,"folder":8,"width":24,"height":24,"charset":8,"duration":8},"a97e0bc1-29e6-46ce-ab1a-d85b738552f0","Garrelt CD","a97e0bc1-29e6-46ce-ab1a-d85b738552f0.jpg","Garrelt_CD.jpg",{},"672932","2024-07-29T14:31:27.028Z","2024-07-29T14:31:26.899Z",[],[],[],[],467,194,[],{"id":83,"service":84,"supported_features":85,"speakers":88,"raw_response":96},"53d2bed1-5a98-48fa-bdd9-3ad19fb13c42","deepgram",[86,87],"timestamps","diarization",[89,91,93],{"identifier":90,"name":47},"0",{"identifier":92,"name":62},"1",{"identifier":94,"name":95},"2","Jan",{"metadata":97,"results":111},{"transaction_key":98,"request_id":99,"sha256":100,"created":101,"duration":102,"channels":103,"models":104,"model_info":106},"deprecated","019e3b42-e61d-7600-8169-03468bd43ab9","a9abf5bc4b766dcfe3042f83472010875263234fae68e41041227298c2d3dca7","2026-05-18T13:25:05.762Z",2943.5217,1,[105],"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3",{"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3":107},{"name":108,"version":109,"arch":110},"2-general-nova","2024-05-09.3071","nova-2",{"channels":112,"utterances":28397},[113],{"alternatives":114},[115],{"transcript":116,"confidence":117,"words":118,"paragraphs":26362},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu einem neuen Programmierbar Special. Wir reden Folge Nummer. Mit der Albe, eine Konferenz. Die Folgennummer kenne ich nicht. Es gibt keine Folgen Nummer mehr bei Specials, weil Dennis das Wecker haben heute. Haben wir ausgebaut. Das ist eigentlich gut. Macht Sinn oder? Ist doch eigentlich gut. Ja. Ja. Über was reden wir denn heute? Heute, wir reden heute über die Google Cloud Next. Mein Name ist Dennis Becker, an dem wir auf meiner rechten Seite sitzt. Klar, das Mock. Und zusammen interviewen wir heute. Ich bin jetzt am Anfang. Jan Gregor M Getriebe. Ja, ich dachte als Gastwirtmann vorgestellt, weißt Du? Nein, nein, nein, nein, nein, nein, nein. Der Dennis hat nur sone Pause gelassen, dass wir son son Applaus, also weil wir sonen Pause einbauen können. Ja, ja, ja, ja, genau. Angenehm oder zu warm? Nee, angenehm warm. Also ich glaub, wegen Ich bin immer sehr erstaunt, wenn ich vom Flughafen fahr, eine Taxi dann ins Hotel. Da sagte der Taxi, oh, was was kommen Sie jetzt hier irgendwie im im Frühling? Ist noch viel zu kalt. Die meisten Touristen kommen im Sommer hierher. Und mir gedacht, also was willst Du im Sommer in Las Vegas? Dann irgendwie 45 Grad im Schatten oder so. Ja. Also niemals würd mich da im Sommer irgendwas hinkriegen. Ich muss sagen, außerhalb von jetzt irgendwelchen Konferenzen reizt mich sowieso nichts anderes mehr gestern, das ist überhaupt nicht. Ja, meine Ich mein, wenn man nach was Du gestern denkst, geht man auch noch nicht raus, oder? Ich mein, da ist man doch Klimatisierten Heil. Genau. Oder am Pool. Oder am Pool, ja, okay, Vierpoint. Oder in der Kirche heiraten. Mhm. Aber Hast Du aus Erfahrung? Ja, aber nein. Meine Tage, wenn Du hast dir gestern, die endete, also da habe ich ja immer eine eine mal sone amerikanische Frau geheiratet. Wie schön ihr eure Sätze beendet. Rechnung Rechnung von einem Krankenwageneinsatz im Krankenhausaufenthalt gesehen. Von dir? Von dir, von der von meiner damaligen Freundin, der es nicht gut ging. Ach so. In Las Vegas. Und dann bin ich danach Gegen der Hitze? Ja und dann, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, ist egal. Es ist deine Story für den Podcast, aber wir sind nur trotzdem beeindruckend zu sehen. Die Ist sehr teuer in Amerika. Immer außer der Krankenversicherung mit so was ist Ja, ja. Momentan teuer. Aber ja. Und mich wundert, dass Du als Vegas eigentlich nicht so gut findest. Weil? Weil Du bist, also ich hätte gedacht, dass wir da einigermaßen auf der gleichen Wellenlänge sind, so im Sinne von, Du magst Disneyland, Du magst irgendwie Freizeitparks und ich finde, das ist vergleichbar, weil das ist son Pappmaschee. Ja. Bild von so allen möglichen völlig upgespactet. Es ist Tag und Nacht kannst Du Sachen unter machen. Es gibt alles mögliche Angebot. Es ist so alles voller Musik, Menschen, irgendwie Aber die Formulierung und so weiter. Europapark Fan, ja. Ja. Und stell dir vor, Du gehst in Europa Park und alle dich rum sind entweder betrunken, halbnackt, zugedröhnt oder wollen dir was verkaufen, weil so ist es ja in Megas. Also ich dieses dieses so überall Geziemte und Du kannst hier 'n bisschen Achterbahn fahren und da ist 'n schöner Pool und hier ist eine schöne Tropenweltaufwand. Das find ich schon cool, aber die Leute in Las Vegas sind echt 'n Problem. Aber jetzt ist auch schlimmer geworden, das ist schon ganz schön lange her, ich da war bestimmt irgendwie 15 Jahre oder so. Mhm. Oh Gott, nicht alt. Machst Du da auch zu der Google? Nee. Nee. Da hat er dann Privat. Privat. Okay. Ich dachte jetzt hast Du in deinem Austausch ja gemacht vielleicht noch oder so. Nee, nee. Das das mir länger hält. Das ist mir auch aufgefallen, ja. Nee, Rotreise so dieses klassische ab San Francisco bis wie relativ weit San Diego und dann Las Vegas. Ah. So, wird das auch gemacht haben, Gareth? Nicht ganz bis San Diego. San Diego. Ja. Das war eine Überlegung, es macht gerade drauf. Hören sich jetzt zu lange in Los Angeles. Aber ich mein dann, nee, Los Angeles waren wir gar nicht sehr gut. Aber dann stell ich jetzt direkt die Frage, hast Du davor auch wieder eine Reise gemacht oder bist Du nur nach Las Vegas zurück? Ich wollte, also ich hab auch. Ich bin nach Los Angeles geflogen, Dennis sagte, wo man nie zu kurz bleiben kann. Und weil das ja direkt in den Lufthansastreik gefallen ist, ist ja mein Vortrip quasi anderthalb Tage gekürzt worden. Ach, das war das. Und dementsprechend war ich nur einen Tag da, dann hab ich 'n Auto geholt und dann bin ich weitergefahren nach Vegas. Was? Also, ich mein, die Tour hast Du ja auch schon gemacht. Ja. So, durch die Wüste nach Vegas ist schon eine coole Strecke. Ja. Trotz zu machen. Ist auch schön, 'n paar schöne Sachen anzugucken und so. Aber ja, war aber dann vielleicht viel nicht viel gemacht, sind so viel davon. Hast Du irgendeine Erstattung bekommen? Noch gefunden? Nicht, das muss ich mir noch alles mal angucken. Ich hab jetzt noch nicht gemacht. Aber Okay. Wirklich. Aber jetzt zum Hauptthema. Warum warst Vegas Vegas? Ach so, nein. Das haben wir jetzt schon Was hast Du abends gemacht? Nee, wie war denn die Konferenz? Was hast Du erlebt? Genau, erst mal auf 'ner Skala von 0 bis 10. 0 Kack Konferenz, 10 geilste Konferenz. 8. 8, glaub ich, das ist gut. Ich glaube, als ich das erste Mal da war, wär's wahrscheinlich noch eine 9 gewesen und das war, jetzt auch son bisschen die Frage zu beantworten, wie's war. Als das allererste Mal da war vor 3, 2, 3 Jahren, war es noch so sehr viel Google Cloud und Infrastruktur und son bisschen AI und AI eher so für die Leute, die sich so nischig damit beschäftigen, ja? Das war jetzt noch nicht so ultra prominent, das war hey, wir machen hier dieses Gemini und wir haben hier 'n paar coole neue Sachen und übrigens, wenn ihr euch mit Kontext Engineering beschäftigt, können wir da mal irgendwie 'n bisschen drüber reden. Es waren auch Leute von Deep Mind da, es waren Leute von Hackingface da, es war, ne, so viel von dieser Infrastruktur schon drumherum, aber es war jetzt noch nicht so ultra prominent und das war vor allen Dingen nur von den Leuten besucht, die sich halt sehr intensiv schon irgendwie damit beschäftigt haben. Und das hat sich halt vollkommen gewandelt. So, also dieses Jahr war es ultraschwer, das Jahr schon zu finden, die halt nicht Nicht über Erbe. Irgendwie auch nur ansatzweise was mit AI drin gehabt hat, ja. Und es war vor allen Dingen sehr schwer, eine Session zu finden, die sich wirklich tief damit beschäftigt hat, weil das an ganz vielen Stellen war, also ich weiß nicht, wenn Du dich jetzt für Google Big Query interessierst, ja, dann gab's halt Sessions zu, ey, wie kann ich den Big Query MCP Server irgendwie benutzen und wie kann ich 'n Agent da rein Also schon auch alles jetzt nicht unrelevante Themen, aber wenn Du dich halt so wie wir mit diesem AI Thema schon länger und tiefgehender beschäftigst, ist halt weniger davon revolutionär und viel mehr nur so evolutionär, wenn das Sinn macht. Und das hat das son bisschen abgewertet für mich, würde ich sagen, weil man halt schon auch merkt, ne, da sprechen wir auch oft drüber, wir sind, glaube ich, schon im Vergleich zu vielen anderen in der Branche noch relativ weit vorne bei dem Thema mit dabei und auf so Massenveranstaltungen, also es waren über 32000 Leute da, ja, da merkst Du halt schon, von den 32000 sind die allermeisten nicht auf unserem Niveau irgendwie unterwegs. Richtig. Ja. Wie hast Du das gemerkt? Na ja, also einfach, wenn Du dir an, Entschuldigung, einfach Na, wenn Du halt in unserer Session reingehst, wo's halt diese Basics auch noch mal geht, ne, wo noch mal erklärt wird, was ist irgendwie son Agent Loop, wie funktioniert Tool Calling, was so und wenn da da wenn Du dich dann da umguckst und Du siehst halt viele Leute, die so, boah voll interessant und irgendwie beschreiben und gucken und tun, dann denkst Du so, ja okay, das war für uns war das halt vor einem oder 2 Jahren halt irgendwie News. So und für die ist das halt jetzt gerade irgendwie aktuell. Ja, weiß. Und ich glaube viele Leute haben halt dieses Jahr ganz oder viele Firmen haben halt dieses Jahr ganz bewusst Leute auf die Google Cloud Nextweek, diesen Teil halt mitzunehmen, Ja. Die sonst vielleicht letztes Jahr, vorletztes Jahr gar nicht hingekommen wären, ja, und das war halt schon son merkbarer Shift in der in der Audience und dementsprechend halt auch in dem in dem Content son bisschen mit. Das ist natürlich auch immer Ausdruck von sonem von soner Reifegrad vielleicht einfach von diesem ganzen Ding, ja, ja, wo es halt vor 2 Jahren einfach Proof of Concept und Fiesability und wir zeigen hier mal, wie irgendwie was funktioniert, das ist halt heute viele Entwicklerinnen oder Product People von großen Firmen, die sich halt eher damit beschäftigen müssen ja wirklich auch, wie kriege ich das in 'nem Enterpriskontext hin, wie kann ich hier irgendwie Policies durchsetzen, wie kann ich Authentifizierung und Identity Management da reinbringen, was ja auch ehrlicherweise Themen sind, mit denen wir uns glücklicherweise ja nie so wirklich rumschlagen müssen, aber wenn Du halt irgendwie alles über 'ner mittelgroßen Firma bist, sind das für dich wahrscheinlich schon relevante Fragen, die Du beantworten musst, bevor Du so mitspielen kannst, wie wir das vielleicht machen. Was, aber was wäre denn das, was Du erwartet hättest, der Konferenz eine neuen zu geben inhaltlich, weil am Ende ist es ja, ich mein, am Ende spiegelt's ja auch unseren Alltag irgendwie wider. Ich mein, AI ist halt das, was im Moment maßgeblich die Diskussion bestimmt und auch im Google Cloud Umfeld für uns jetzt im Moment jetzt keine Riesenthemen sind, wo wir irgendwie eine Infrastruktur anders verlieren wollen oder so weiter. Also von daher passt es ja eigentlich auch zu den Anforderungen, die wir haben, aber was Hast Du irgendwas beispielhaft, wo Du sagen würdest, ach, darüber hätte ich jetzt gerne mehr erfahren und das war jetzt nicht Teil davon? Also es gab 'n paar coole Sessions, zum Beispiel mit Leuten von Intropic, mit Leuten von Raplit, mit Leuten von Factory Air, also schon Leute, die in diesem Spiel ganz vorne irgendwie mit dabei sind und wenn die irgendwie eine Session machen und so ihre Lessons learned teilen und so teilen, wie sie auch mit Google Infrastruktur zusammenarbeiten und so was alles. Das finde ich halt super interessant. So und ich glaube, Google ist da schon in der Lage irgendwie mehr von diesen, ich sag mal so, triple-a-Kunden irgendwie bei zu karren und son bisschen mehr aus der Praxis zu erzählen, anstatt nur die eigenen Basics irgendwie darzulegen und wenn sie davon 'n bisschen mehr gemacht hätten, dann wär's irgendwie cool und man muss auch ehrlicherweise sagen, sie haben wahrscheinlich in meiner 8 von 10 Punkte Skala auch einfach einen Punkt verloren, weil sie dieses Jahr organisatorisch am schwächsten waren von allen Jahren, die ich bisher miterlebt hab. Und ich glaube, es hängt schlicht und ergreifend damit zusammen, dass es halt dieses Jahr tausende Leute mehr waren als in den letzten paar Jahren, aber die Venio halt überhaupt nicht mitskaliert ist. Also keiner der Prozesse drumherum ist irgendwie mitskaliert, ne. Gabriel, Du hast das letztes Jahr miterlebt, als Du für die Keynote anstanden, wie voll es da war. Jetzt stell dir vor, es sind noch 'n paar 1000 Leute mehr da. Ich hab am Eingang von dem Konferenzhotel, also am Eingang vom Mandalai Bay gestanden, für die Keynote anzustehen, wenn Du dich erinnerst, dass es noch ungefähr einen Kilometer, also wirklich, ich hab's mal versucht auf der Karte so nachzurechnen, fast 'n Kilometer noch, den Du durch die Hotelanlage laufen musst, überhaupt am Keynotesaal zu stehen, so. Mhm. Als er auf der halben Strecke war, hieß das so, Keynote Arena ist voll. Übrigens Keynote Arena 12000 Leute, also ist auch nicht klein, ja. Die ist voll. Wir leiten jetzt diese ganze Menschenmasse rum in son Overflow Room, wo wir quasi streamen können und zugucken können. Dann war ich ungefähr 'n Drittel davor, dann war der auch voll, dann wurde dieser Menschenstrom halt wieder umgelenkt. Und also bis ich ganz vorne war, war es der vierte Overflow Room, so, und wir haben schon die ersten 15 Minuten vom Stream irgendwie verpasst, so. Und da denke ich mir halt, also sie wissen, wie viel Tickets sie verkaufen, sie wissen, wie viele Leute kommen, sie wissen, welche Räume sie haben. Es wär ja 'n einfaches gewesen zu sagen, okay, während der Keynote ist einfach jeder Raum 'n Overflow Room und Du kannst hingehen, wo Du willst und wir verteilen einfach die Masse. So 'n paar Kleinigkeiten waren halt organisatorisch irgendwie nicht so cool dieses Jahr und da denke ich mir, das haben Sie schon mal besser gemacht, Sie haben die Mittel, es besser zu können, das ist einfach nur vertane Chance. Mhm. Mhm. Was glaubst Du, warum's jetzt dieses Jahr so viel mehr waren als letztes Jahr? Weil ich glaube, sich mehr Leute damit beschäftigen müssen auch einfach, ne. Also wie ich grad gesagt hab, wenn Du jetzt in soner mittelgroßen Bude warst und AI die ganze Zeit son bisschen hast an dir vorbeiziehen lassen vielleicht auch, spielt halt, also zum einen stimmt auch so ganz klar FOMO irgendwie mit rein. Du willst es jetzt halt irgendwie mitnehmen, bevor alle anderen an dir vorbeiziehen. Ja. Du musst es aber vielleicht auch, weil vielleicht deine deine Kunden oder die Leute mit denen sonst so Partners das halt auch von dir erwarten. Mhm. Und dann musst Du dich halt irgendwo mal aufn aktuellen Stand bringen. Und dafür ist jetzt schon auch keine schlechte Veranstaltung. Mhm. Also Du glaubst, die Unternehmen haben ihre Mitarbeiter 'n bisschen da hingeschickt, weil sie dachten so, okay, das ist jetzt, keine Ahnung, für die ist ja irgendwie die ARD Weiterbildung, die wir brauchen irgendwie oder die Ja, auf jeden Fall. Und es gab ja auch genau für diese Zielgruppe eigentlich die richtigen Sessions. Na ja, okay. Das heißt aber auch, die war die letzten Jahre nicht ausverkauft? Doch, doch. Ich würde behaupten, die haben einfach jetzt mehr Tickets verkaufen. Okay. Ja. Mhm. Also ist ja auch fair, ne, wenn Du jetzt jahrelang dein Event ausverkaufst, dann ist es ja voll okay, wenn Du jetzt mal anfängst irgendwie mehr Tickets halt irgendwie dafür rauszuhauen, aber Du musst halt gucken, dass der Rest irgendwie mitskaliert und mitwachsen kann. Mhm. Wie viele 10 von 10 Sterne Vorträge hattest Du? So jeden Tag 1, 2, vielleicht über 3 Tage, vielleicht eine Handvoll dann, ne? 3 Tage waren's? Ja. Also vielleicht 5 oder 6, wo ich sagen will, die Das finde ich erstaunlich viel. Für 'n Vortrag. Also ich find oft so Weil dafür, dass, also wenn Du jetzt meinen Kalender angucken würdest, ich war halt schon jeden Tag auf, weiß ich nicht, 6, 8 Vorträgen. Ja. Anteilmäßig ist es dann schon wieder Ja. Nicht so viel, aber ja. Ja, das stimmt, aber trotzdem, also 10 von 10 Vortrag ist auf Konferenzen finde ich selten, ja. Also das finde ich schon mal cool. Hast Du da son Beispielvortrag, den Du, wo Du mal Bock hast, bisschen reinzugehen? Ich hab 'n sehr coolen Talk mit 'nem Panel gesehen und 1 der Panel Teilnehmer war der, oh Gott, jetzt muss ich überlegen, Chief m l Mensch von Factory AI, die ja so für Roboter und AI Zeuge machen. Und der hat was ganz Interessantes gesagt, wir haben da auch in der Premiere vor letztes oder vorletztes Jahr darüber gesprochen so, er hat das so Model Overhang bezahlt, also der Vorsprung, den die Models grade haben, ja, wenn ne dieser dieser berühmte Spruch, wenn wir heute aufhören würden neue Modelle zu entwickeln, könnten wir noch Jahre neue Produkte bauen, weil die Modelle eigentlich so viel besser sind, dass wir sie jetzt grade noch gar nicht ausreizen und eigentlich die Modellentwicklung viel schneller ist, als wir mit der Produktentwicklung hinterherkommen. Son Zitat von mir. Ja? Was hast Du das auf der Cloud Next gesagt, Mensch? Das ist ganz schön. Das erzähle ich das immer. Okay? Ja? Ja, genau. Ja, nein. Und er meint Die Idee hat halt Google, von der das Ja, ich glaub auch. Das deswegen geht's auch immer mit diesem Developer Stammtisch von denen da so. Ja, genau. Und was er halt gesagt hat, so, die diese dieser Gap ist halt zum ersten Mal, dass sie sehen, dass er halt schrumpft und für sie ist jetzt halt absehbar, dass sie oder ist der Zeitpunkt absehbar sehr konkret, dass die Produktentwicklung tatsächlich die Models einholt Ah. Und sich dann dieses Spiel halt umdrehen könnte, dass sie dann tatsächlich anfangen müssen zu warten auf wann kommt 'n neues Modell und was bringt was anderes. Das weil die da ja Germani benutzt haben. Sternchen. Wenn nicht noch mal son Model Step Change kommt wie Mo e oder halt irgend 'n architektisches, der jetzt wirklich noch mal so 'n Faktor irgendwie draufsetzt, aber wenn es jetzt wirklich nur so interpoliert, das was die letzten paar Jahre passiert ist, Okay. Dann sagt er, okay, jetzt haben wir's tatsächlich doch mal geschafft, das irgendwie auszureizen, ja. Und deshalb meinte ich so, das sind ja die Insights, weshalb ich zumindest irgendwie dahinfahr und mir hoffe so, wow, mehr mit Leuten zu sprechen oder denen zuzuhören, die halt wirklich so da ganz vorne mit dabei sind und ich glaube, Google hätte da viel mehr von irgendwie noch im Gepäck haben können, von so Leuten und von so Talks. Vielleicht hab ich's ja auch nicht alle gefunden, bestimmt bei über 1000 Sessions so, ja, aber das ist für mich so der relevante Teil und jetzt nicht unbedingt, dahin zu gehen und so, hey, wir zeigen dir mal, wie man mit Google AI Studio so prototypmäßig schnell was zusammenbaut oder so, ja, also nicht dieser dieser Hands on Teil, sondern wirklich da so mit mal son paar Nasen aus der Industrie da irgendwie mal quatschen zu können. Rein historisch würde ich irgendwie denken, wenn man bei Google Cloud ist, das ist ja eher irgendwie Backend und Serversachen und so, weil ne, ist das auch was, was 'n bisschen durch AI geschiftet ist oder sind das noch so die gleichen klassischen Rollen, die jetzt dort sind? Also ich mein, ja, insgesamt hat sich sowieso alles 'n bisschen Richtung Vollzeit und so weiterentwickelt, aber tendenziell, also Google Cloud ist ja schon irgendwo, wo man erst mal sagt, das ist jetzt keine allgemeine Entwickler*innenkonferenz, sondern irgendwie erst mal einen einen Teilbereich. Ja, also Du findest natürlich krass, viel mehr Content zu Themen wie Backend, Datenbanken, Infrastruktur, Server Architektur, bla bla bla. Und jetzt viel weniger zu UI, UX, ne. Es gibt auch immer son paar Sachen, die mit Flatter und AI Studio, Prototyping und bla, aber das sind, weiß nicht, vielleicht so 10 Prozent, also es ist schon sehr infrastruktur- und backend lastig noch. Aber auch da, wie gesagt, bei jedem Talk mit, hey, wie kann hier mein Agent oder dein Agent oder irgendein Agent halt mithelfen und mitspielen jetzt so ungefähr. Hast Du irgendwas gehört oder gelernt, was jetzt dein deine Arbeit ändern wird? Also glaubst Du, Du wirst irgendwas anders bauen, machen als vorher? Wirst Du irgendwas anderes nutzen als vorher? Hat es außer Mindset irgendwas Praktisches bei dir geändert? Nichts Revolutionäres. Also ich hab mir son paar Tools angeguckt, ja, ich hab zum Beispiel sehr lange auch am Jetbrain Stand gestanden, weil a bin ich ja Fanboy und b kennen wir die ja auch irgendwie mittlerweile ganz gut durch ja Niklas so und hab mit dem mal so gequatscht, wo bei denen die Reise hingeht und dann haben wir auch vor Kurzem dieses Video veröffentlicht, wo sie mal son bisschen ihre Company Philosophie neu Schrägstrich anders erklärt haben und da haben wir son bisschen geschaut, wir dachten ja okay, vielleicht muss man sich da 1, 2 Sachen irgendwie noch mal im Detail anschauen, aber das ist jetzt auch nichts, was das irgendwie revolutionär anders macht für mich, ja. Es war eher so, dass son paar Talks mir noch mal zu denken gegeben haben, wie das perspektivisch vielleicht weitergehen kann. Ich hab 'n coolen Talk gesehen, wo der Dingsbums President Product Mensch von Raptit gesessen hat und son bisschen darüber philosophiert hat, wie sich AI und Pricing halt in den nächsten paar Monaten und Jahren verändern wird, ja. Und der hat was superinteressantes gesagt, zum einen hat er auch gesagt, es ist halt absehbar, dass der ganze Spaß teurer wird, weil wir halt sehr lange in 'ner sehr subventionierten Welt gelebt haben und jeder einfach nur Marktanteil haben wollte, Marktanteil Marktanteil und dementsprechend ist AI eigentlich aktuell in der Verbindung zu günstig und wir sehen das gerade schon in der Diskussion bei Chat Brains, bei GitHub, bei OpenAI, nenn ich bei OpenAI bei Intropic, die überlegen, Cloud Code in irgendwie 'n teureren Plan zu heben und so was. Also ich glaube, da da wird noch 'n bisschen was passieren, aber das Fundamentale, was er gesagt hat, ist eigentlich, dass sie grade versuchen oder überlegen, wie sie von diesem tokenbasierten Pricing wegkommen können. Mhm. So, weil Tokens halt für Endanwender und jetzt muss man natürlich überlegen, für Replith sind Endanwender noch mal weniger technische Leute als jetzt wir hier in in der Core Audience sind, aber sagt halt, Tokens verlieren immer mehr an Nachvollziehbarkeit. So. Zum einen, weil Du sowieso, wenn Du jetzt zu 'nem zu 'nem Agent gesagt, hey, bauen wir mal irgendwie dieses Feature, hast Du überhaupt gar keinen Plan davon, wie viel Tokens das irgendwie verwendet so und durch so neuere Features wie Dynamic Thinking und so was ja noch mal unvorhersehbar geworden ist, wie viele Tokens diese Modelle überhaupt aufwenden, intern so, ja? Die Du gar nicht siehst im im Gesprächsverlauf und er prognostiziert, prophezeit, überlegt, wie auch immer, dass wir eigentlich hinkommen müssen zu sonem festpreisbasierten Modell, ja, wo halt Replit zum Beispiel ja dann hingehen würde und sagt, Du willst, dass wir dir eine App bauen, diese App kostet dich, hat keine Zahlen genannt, aber ich sag jetzt einfach mal 500 Dollar so. Du sagst uns, was Du willst, wir weiben das für dich so quasi dann zusammen und dann kriegst Du das und Du musst dich nicht damit beschäftigen, wie viel Tokens das eigentlich braucht, ja. Und dann ist das son bisschen nachvollziehbarer für alle Seiten, wie das eigentlich funktionieren könnte. Er hat ehrlicherweise dann so direkt hinterhergeschoben, die LLMs sind halt noch nicht weit genug dafür. Also was im Klartext ja heißt, LLMs arbeiten noch nicht sauber genug, als das Raplit in dieses Risiko reingehen will, ja, und deshalb müssen sie sich jetzt grade noch an den Kunden auslagern, aber das ist son bisschen, wo die wo die Reise hingeht. Aber das sehe ich halt aber auch eigentlich nur für sone Software oder eine App wie, also das kannst Du ja nicht mal, aber jetzt bei dir. Na ja, aber auch ein GitHub kann ja sagen, Du willst deinen Branch AI Code reviewt haben. Das machen wir nicht mehr tokenbasiert, sondern jede AI Branch Code Review kostet dich derzeit 2 Dollar 50. So, egal wie viel Aufwand da drin ist, egal bla und der AI Anbieter geht quasi in die Mischkalkulation rein, ne. Und das glaube ich schon, dass ich das durchsetzen kann. Das ich glaub tatsächlich, dass es in so Sachen einfacher ist, als jetzt auf der der AppLight Ebene, die dann auf einmal schätzen müssen, was fürn ganzes Feature oder sone App oder keine Ahnung, was es kostet. Aber bei so kleinen Sachen, Du willst, dass ich da einen Text Review, Du willst 'n 'n Pull request haben, Du willst 'n, ich mein, bei Bildergenerierung ist es ja im Prinzip auch schon so, ne, da beschäftigst Du dich auch nicht mit, wie viel Tokens das eigentlich sind, sondern das wird auch öfter mal nach Arbeit schon abgerechnet, ja. Kann schon verstehen, wie man da hinkommen will. Aber also zurück auf die Frage zu kommen, das sind eigentlich so die Sessions, die ich halt interessant auf alle. Ja. So son bisschen Zukunftsgedanken, wo geht dir wo geht die Reise hin, meinst Du? Ja. Und weil Du's grad schon erwähnt hast, wie viel warst Du auf dem Messestand unterwegs? Also hast Du dich so viel mit Leuten unterhalten, dir Sachen angeguckt? Ehrlicherweise dieses Jahr weniger als in den letzten Jahren, aber weil ich halt auch alleine war. Also letztes Jahr waren wir ja zu dritt und wir haben uns son bisschen aufteilen können, wer geht irgendwie wohin. Ja. Und wenn man halt alleine ist, dann muss man schon son paar von den Sessions ja auch mitnehmen und dann bleibt halt irgendwie 'n bisschen weniger Zeit für Expo und Messer und so. Ja. Ich hab dann schon versucht son bisschen was mitzunehmen, aber ich hab definitiv weniger gemacht als letztes Jahr. Ja, okay. Und das ist dann praktisch, fühlt sich das an wie ein erweitertes Angebot der Konferenz oder ist es schon ähnlich zu einem Sponsorship und die wollen dann was, also Sponsoren, die da sind, die wollen einfach was verkaufen. Die Messe meinst Du? Ja. Boah, super unterschiedlich Und ich glaub, da kommt's auch ganz drauf an, wie man mit den Leuten irgendwie ins Gespräch kommt. Es gibt da Stände, die wollen dir einfach nur irgendwie was verkaufen so, ja. Wenn Du jetzt bei, oh Gott, jetzt darf ich nichts Falsches sagen. Aber Great Braines. Das war für mich noch 'n positiver Beispiel, aber weil ich da halt schon selber mit genug Vorwissen reinkommen bin, halt sehr konkrete Fragen zu stellen und lass mal hier irgendwie 'n bisschen Deep Talk machen, ja. Ich war zum Beispiel bei Langchain am Stand und das war direkt sehr schnell sehr irgendwie, obwohl ich auch nur technische Fragen hatte. Son bisschen schwierig. Ich glaube, man kann das nicht pauschalisieren. Wenn man selber nicht aufpasst und einfach nur an son Stand geht und eine komische Frage stellt, dann wird das, glaube ich, immer sehr schnell sehr selsea. Mhm. Und dann halt zu gucken, okay, wie kriege ich das halt irgendwie technisch hin und ich hab ja auch den Vorteil, dass ich immer sagen kann, so, ich komm nur vom Podcast, ich kaufe ja eigentlich nichts, so, ja, weil die Programmierbar per se nicht der Kunde ist für Langetrain, nicht für Nvidia, nicht für SAP, für keine Ahnung, wenn das so alles da war, ja, sondern wir wirklich ja nur am am Content sozusagen interessierte, ist das immer noch mal son einfacher Weg raus und wenn man dann den Leuten auch noch sagt, dass man nur 'n deutschsprachigen Podcast hast, dann wollen sie dir nicht mal mehr noch 'n Gast andrehen in den meisten Fällen, weil's ja viel englischsprachig dann so ist, ja. Und dann kann man ganz normal mit denen reden, aber, ja. Kriegst Du das Angebot häufig, wenn Du sagst, Du machst 'n Podcast, dass sie so sagen so, oh ja, wir haben da jemanden, mit dem könntest Du mal quatschen? Also auf Sohn auf einen Trailer auf jeden Fall. Wilt. Ist ja ziemlich gut. Doch. Ja, ich fand's irgendwie auch so, also da waren ja dann auch so Stände von Google irgendwie zu verschiedenen Cloud Sachen. Das find ich echt ganz cool. Du hast halt das Gefühl, okay, da steht jetzt 'n Experte, wenn Du Fragen hast, kannst den halt auch fragen, aber grad son Stand wurden an irgend eine Software, die ich nicht kenne. Ich mir auch so, ja, ist ganz nett irgendwie, aber Kann man's nicht viel Prozent der jährlichen Arbeitszeit von Google Mitarbeitern auf so Sachen draufgehen ist jetzt 'n bisschen negativ formuliert, investiert werden. Also, weil ich glaube schon, dass es 'n, dass es was sehr besonderes ist, dass sie auch immer so an die Leute gehen und Du weißt nicht halt die 0 auf 15 Leute hast, sondern halt die Entwickler*innen von den Tools so. Also das heißt, die sind schon sind schon sehr nah dran, aber ähnlich auch mit dem, nee, Du hast nicht Kaffeekranz gesagt, was hast Du eben gesagt, zu meinem Google Treffen? Stammtisch, Stammtisch. So, ne, wo ja auch relativ hochrangige Produktmanager sich irgendwie 'n Tag Zeit nehmen, irgendwelchen Hanseln zuzuhören, was für Ideen haben, was ja schon irgendwie in der Kultur einfach so dann etabliert ist, aber da würde mich interessieren, so wie, das ist ja nicht jeder einzige Konferenz, ist jetzt vielleicht mit die größte, oder was heißt mit die Größe, die größte von Google Gehostete, aber, na. Ja. Oh, ich glaub schon, dass die da Monate rein investieren. Ja, 4, vielleicht war. Ja, aber ich mein jetzt so der einzelne Engineer. Also weißt Du, jemand, der halt wirklich in, was weiß ich, nimm Beispiel in Firebase an irgendeiner AI Integration arbeitet und dann da danach dann auf dem Stand steht, weil das sind ja schon die Leute auch viel, die es entwickeln. Also ich glaube irgendwie, Ja. Kannst da, Du kannst bei Google nicht 'n herausragender oder es ist schwierig, ein herausragender Softwareentwickler oder eine Entwicklerin zu sein und nicht eingeteilt zu werden, auf 1 dieser Konferenzen am Stand zu stehen. Ja, aber ich glaub, die haben dann auch schon 4 Unterstützung von dem Developer Relations Team, was ihnen halt hilft, irgendwie 'n Prototyp, eine Demo, 'n Proof of Concept zu bauen, der halt irgendwie catchy ist, der das Essenzielle schnell vermittelt und bleibt. Ja, ja, klar, die die organisieren den Stand nicht so, ne, aber die werden trotzdem einfach eingeteilt eingestellt. Tja, aber ist das so zwang denkst Du, ist das nicht so, Herr Wert Bock für macht's? Nee, ich glaub bei Ich glaub schon, dass das Teil der Erwartungshaltung. Teil der. Ja. Erwartung. Und also ich mein, viele machen's natürlich auch gerne, weil's halt einfach Würd jetzt auch tun, man. Genau, also gehört einfach dazu, so. Aber ist ja schon speziell, würde es jetzt hier bei deutschen Unternehmen oder so was, die würden halt dir HR Team da hinstellen oder keine Ahnung. So, ne. Aber genau, das wissen, finde ich eigentlich schade, so, ne, weil wie Du schon sagst, Du kommst dann zum Stand, hast technische Fragen und kriegst ja trotzdem den Sales Talk, weil steht halt Gut, das war jetzt mehr von den Ausstellern und die bezahlen ja auch, da zu sein, ne? Weil bei Google ist das noch mal 'n bisschen Aber trotzdem, also das ist, ich find's halt eigentlich 'n Fehler, ne, weil wenn Du Aussteller bist und auf eine Konferenz gehst, wo technische Leute sind, dann hab bitte auch jemanden da stehen, der technische Fragen beantworten kann und nicht nur 'n Sales Talk macht. Sind eigentlich schon wichtig. Also ist schon sinnig eigentlich. Ja. Apropos Sales. Ja? Ist ja bestimmt kostenlos die Veranstaltung, weil Google viel Werbung machen kann für seine eigenen Produkte. Ich wart ihr nicht mal, als das noch in San Francisco war auf der Cloudnext? Mit ihr meinst Du vielleicht 2 Lotungen Mitarbeiter, das waren Silvia und Fabi, aber Du warst auch nicht dabei. Ich war noch nie da, nee. Okay. Weil das das würd mich mal tatsächlich interessieren, ob das früher nennenswert günstiger war oder nicht. Weil jetzt in Vegas, ich mein, das ist ja 'n Riesenkonferenzcenter. Also ich hab, war ja auch schon da, aber ich hab noch nie son großes Indoor Gebäude irgendwie gesehen. Ich war schon in Hannover auf der Messe und keine Ahnung was so, aber das ist abgefahren. Und ich weiß nicht, ob's dann früher quasi günstiger war, aber jetzt kostet das Ticket regulär 2000 Dollar, im Early Bird 1000 Dollar und ich hab 7 800 Euro 800 Dollar 700 Euro bezahlt. Also Schnäppchenjäger. Na ehrlich, aber also das hab ich ja grad auch schon gesagt, ehrlicherweise, ich glaub für eine 3 Tageskonferenz mit vollem Catering und Programm und morgens, abends und so finde ich zumindest den Preis, den ich bezahlt hab, mit den 7, 800 Ja. Gerechtfertigt. Okay. Wenn man dann überlegt, dass in den USA noch alles teurer ist und so, wär wahrscheinlich auch der Tausender noch einigermaßen machbar. Und ich glaub, der Zweitausender Preis, das ist son reines Marketingding, das die Leute halt einfach nicht zu kaufen. Ich glaube nicht, dass sie den brauchen, kostendeckend zu sein. Aber ja, das ist das Ding und dann kommt halt noch dazu, Val Vegas brauchst Du noch Flug und 'n Hotel und vielleicht noch 'n paar Spesen und so. Also ich würde immer denken, dass man, je nachdem wann und wie man bucht und wer weiß, wie das nächstes Jahr mit Spritweisen und alles aussieht, aber so zweieinhalb, 3000 Dollar musst Du wahrscheinlich in die Hand nehmen, da mitmachen zu können. Und das bezahlt leider nicht Google. Ich hab, also ich seit Jahren frag ich nach 'nem Presseticket, so, ja. Ja. Seit Jahren wird die programmierbar ignoriert, aber irgendwann irgendwann kommt das noch. Ja, was ich lustig finde, weil wir ja, ne, im Podcast mit Philipp sind, so. Also irgendwie ist es ja schon sehr nah dran auch an Google oder nicht. Jo. Jo. Ja, musst Du mir nicht erklären. Ich dachte einfach den Kitsch auf irgendwie. Ja, aber tatsächlich, also die Leute, die mir sonst irgendwie ein Ticket hätten besorgen können, wir haben mit gesprochen und ich hab mit gesprochen. Die haben halt auch gesagt, so, es wird halt jedes Jahr gefühlt eher schwerer als leichter, Leute dahin einzuladen. Und ich vermute mal, das hat damit zu tun, dass sie halt schon versuchen, möglichst viel der Kapazität halt auch für möglichst viele Gäste, also in Anführungszeichen, richtige Teilnehmer quasi freizuhalten und nicht Und nicht zahlende Teilnehmer oder was meinst Du mit der Regel? Ja, ja. Und nicht halt Presse in Anführungszeichen, ne? Ja, Presse könnt ihr jetzt noch verstehen. Aber ich mein grundsätzlich, das ist ja auch erst auf Google Veranstaltungen der letzten Monate und Jahre schon auch deutlich gewesen, dass das Budget dort bei Google auch nicht mehr so unbegrenzt ist, wie es mal war. Na, also ich glaube schon, dass sie auch einfach anfangen, 'n bisschen sparsamer zu sein, was solche Sachen angeht und ich glaube, das ist auch ein Teil, warum man vielleicht dann nicht so einfach als Partner Ich mein, wir sind die Zahlen öffentlich, ich weiß ich gar nicht, aber ich mein, wir zahlen ja auch einen hohen sechsstelligen Betrag im Jahr dort, ne. Also auch das alleine könnte er schon irgendwo Ja, Du hast Loto 'n Tick Ticket kriegen können, einfach nur weil sie 'n guter Kunde sind, das Da sind ja jetzt auch immer eine Platte, ne. Dann auch egal. Könnte man auch mal anfragen. Das ist sicherlich richtig. Aber ich, also diesen Trend, den Du beschreibst mit diese großen Konferenzen werden son bisschen, also zurückgefahren ist, glaube ich, auch schon zu viel gesagt, weil da passiert ja immer noch unglaublich viel, ja. Und allein das Abendprogramm passiert da irgendwie Aufwand, kostet bestimmt auch Hunderttausende Dollar. Aber sagst Du, das Geld sitzt halt gefühlt einfach nicht mehr so locker als früher. Mhm. Ich frag mich, ob das nicht irgendwie am falschen Ende gespart ist, grade wenn Du 1 von diesen ganz Großen bist und halt schon noch in der Lage bist, dir das zu leisten, ist es ja schon son Ausdifferenzierungsmerkmal, ja, weil Du's halt wirklich nur machen kannst, wenn Du die Manpower hast und das Geld und erst mal kein AI der Welt, der das irgendwie abnehmen kann, ja. Also wenn ich jetzt überlege, ich bin hier 'n Google und ich will mich jetzt, weiß nicht, gegen Open AI in dem Space behaupten und ich hab zehntausende Ingenieurs und unglaublich viel Geld und überhaupt, dann würde ich halt das irgendwie nutzen, weil ich ganz genau weiß, dass OpenAI irgendwie chronisch anders darf ist und irgendwie anders auf sein Geld aufpassen muss so. Das ist ja 'n Vorteil, den Du irgendwie ausspielen kannst. Mhm. Und dass die dann da nicht eigentlich eher den gegenteiligen Move machen und sagen so, wir gehen da jetzt aber volle Kanne rein, weil wir sind die Einzigen, die diesen Space auf diese Art und Weise bespielen können. Weißt Du, haltest fürn Fehler? Ja. Ja, an wem würdest Du diese Konferenz empfehlen? Ja, ja, Wahrscheinlich immer Hä, ja. Immer weniger Leuten vielleicht tatsächlich, ne. Also läuft das, wie am Anfang gesagt, ich glaub, früher war es son bisschen breiter aufgestellt. Jetzt ist es son bisschen, wir versuchen alle auf son gleiches AI Level zu heben sozusagen, war zumindest so dieses Jahr der der der große Tenor. Wenn das nächstes Jahr genauso bleibt, man kann ja Gott sei Dank das Programm vorher anschauen, wo uns 'n Ticket kauft, dann ist es wahrscheinlich für unsere Stammhörerschaft immer weniger relevant, weil so Formate wie die Programmierer hat das ja auch schon viel leisten so, ja. Wenn man natürlich schon Google Cloud Kunde ist und da jetzt irgendwie 'n sehr konkreten Use Case hat oder vielleicht schon 'n sehr konkretes Projekt und dann da mal mit Experten irgendwie sprechen will und schauen will, okay, wie können wir jetzt hier was mit AI Studio, Veitax, Germany, auch immer irgendwie alles machen und wir haben vielleicht schon angefangen und Du kannst dir mit sehr konkreten Fragen da irgendwie hingehen, dann ist das, glaub ich, Gold wert. Mhm. So. Wenn Du jetzt einfach nur hingehst, weil Du denkst so, oh, ich will einfach mal maximal viel mitnehmen, dann war's in diesem Jahr zumindest jetzt nicht so rentabel aus der Hinsicht, wenn man schon sich schon 'n bisschen damit auskennt, ja? Abwarten. Vielleicht pendelt das auch wieder son bisschen zurück, ne? Wenn sie jetzt nächstes Jahr denken, okay, wir haben jetzt diesen Beitrag geleistet und alle unsere Kunden oder zumindest die, für die das relevant und wichtig ist, die sind jetzt auf dem Level und dann können wir da irgendwie wieder 'n bisschen bisschen weitergehen. Ist es denn auch sone Once in a Life Time Experience, mal unabhängig von den Inhalten? Also wie man das Unabhängig darf man schon dreimal da war. Genau, ja, aber genau deswegen, also keine Ahnung. WWDC war immer son Ding als jemand, der irgendwie Muss man mal gucken und sowas, muss man machen. Hab ich nie gemacht, ist glaube ich seit Corona auch nicht mehr so einfach zurückgekehrt. Also ich meine auch, wenn es jetzt mal diese On Zeit Sachen gibt, aber es sind halt die aufgezeichneten Präsentationen und so. Also es ist glaube ich weit weg von dem Feeling, wie es mal irgendwie war, vermute ich, ohne da gewesen zu sein und hat das da noch sone Atmosphäre, das ist einfach irgendwie 'n Special Event. Da gibt's noch was über jetzt rein nüchtern betrachtet, so die Vorträge, wo man so sagt, okay, ist schon eine der coolsten Tech Events, whatever. Das ist auf alle Fälle 1 der bestproduzierten Tech Events, auf denen ich so war. Ja, also wenn man jetzt einfach nur mal erleben will, wie man eine Konferenz wirklich, unabhängig von dem, was wir am Anfang gesagt haben, mit Infrastruktur und Logistik, ja, wenn man das wirklich sehr gut vom Thema her durchzieht, wie man sehr breiten Kontext anbietet, wie man es schafft, irgendwie auch 'n Abendprogramm zu gestalten, das irgendwie Leute mitnimmt, ja, dann ist das schon irgendwie alles ganz cool. Ob ich das jetzt wirklich als so Ding, weiß nicht, also viele Leute, mit denen ich da zwischen Tür und Angel gesprochen hab, die waren auch schon mehrfach da, was jetzt auch son bisschen dagegen vielleicht spricht, dass man da einmal hin will und dann hat man das irgendwie abgehakt und kommt nicht wieder. Andererseits ist es ja auch eine andere Qualität, ne, also wenn man jetzt sieht, die Leute kommen da wirklich wieder hin, das spricht ja auch für die Veranstaltung. Und ich glaube, am Ende ist es auch gar nicht so limitiert, also was bei der WWDC ja auch schon immer war, es hat ja relativ früh auf son Lotterieystem zum Beispiel gesetzt, ja. Es hat so den Punkt, dass es ja auch bei Apple zu Gast war oder zumindest in Apples Hinterhof irgendwie war, dass man die Chance hatte, mit Apple Engineers zu sprechen, die sonst halt nicht dafür bekannt sind, ultra kommunikativ zu sein, ja. Das ist, glaube ich, alles bei Google nicht so der Fall und in Las Vegas schon zweimal nicht. Also Du fährst nicht nach Las Vegas, Google zu besuchen. So, da ist, glaub ich, die Google I o, die immer noch in San Francisco ist, oder? Und dann son bisschen näher zumindest schon mal an Mountain View vielleicht dran. Vielleicht hat das mehr so den Effekt, ja, da da zu sein. Ich glaube, auf der I o merkst Du auch son bisschen mehr von Googles Character insgesamt. Also vielleicht ist der Vergleich dahin dann dann besser. Ansonsten würde ich jetzt nicht sagen, dass es ones in a life time ist. Ob man da jetzt als Entwickler, der vielleicht jetzt nicht so den den News Fokus hat wie, wenn ich da auch so Sessions drauf guck, ob man da wirklich dann jedes Jahr hin müsste, würd ich auch mal bezweifeln, ne. Ne. Da reicht's wahrscheinlich auch, wenn man irgendwie jedes zweite oder dritte Jahr oder so was dann dann mitnimmt, weil man muss auch ehrlicherweise sagen, dass die die Iterationen in dieser AI Bubble ja schon zumindest in den letzten paar Monaten auch wieder 'n bisschen kleiner geworden sind. Also wenn man sich anguckt, was vielleicht der Step Change war von der Cloud Next 23 auf 24, da ist sehr viel passiert, da haben wir ja so Sachen gesehen wie Geminar, ich glaub 1 5 Pro, das erste Mal so mit 1000000 Tokens, Kontextwindo und so was alles und kannst Du jetzt selber deployen und bla bla bla und die ersten Jamma Modelle auch zum selber benutzen und so was alles in der Zeit, ja. Und aktuell dieses Jahr war es ja auch einfach nur. So, ja, also ich glaube, Gablelt, wenn er letztes Jahr da war, hat er viele coole Sachen mitbekommen. Dieses Jahr hat er wahrscheinlich nicht ultraviel verpasst. Wenn er nächstes Jahr übernächstes Jahr dann wieder dabei wär, dann ist wahrscheinlich das das Inkrement wieder groß genug, als dass es sich lohnt. Es ist am am Ende einfach wegen der Location auch eine Konferenz. Es fühlt sich halt nicht an, glaub ich, wie son Event, weil das so einfach sone Halle ist, ne, sone Konferenz. Eine Messehalle so. Ja, genau. Und ich glaube, das das würde für mich, glaub ich, den Riesenunterschied machen zu sonem Event, wo Du das Gefühl hast, Du bist jetzt auch da bei denen zu Hause sozusagen. Also ironischerweise, als wir letztes Jahr auf der Cloudnext waren und unseren Roadtrip vorher gemacht haben, sind wir ja in San Francisco bei Apple vorbeigefahren. Ja. Und das fand ich mehr Teil von diesem one't on alive Teil Ja. Und so, ja, da mal bei Apple gewesen zu sein, als dann die Cloud Nexon, der wär dann irgendwie Obwohl das ja auch rein, obwohl es ja auch fast irgendwie 'n Joke war da zu sein, ne, weil Du bist in diesem Center da, in diesem wie's? Bist Du das? Wir sind das Center, Du kommst nicht wirklich, Du weißt halt dieses Gebäude nicht. Du hast ja zum Glück die Drohne dabei gehabt. Ja, wir haben 'n Industrie Spionage. Das war dann wieder geil, aber so, Du siehst ja, Du siehst eigentlich nichts von dem Gebäude, das ist halt einfach Bäume davor, bist Du ja. Ja, aber trotzdem war das gefühlt mehr son Bucket List abgehakt. Ja, na ja, ich weiß, was Du meinst. 1 auf der Cloudnext gewesen bist. Aber es war Under bei dem Moment für mich 'n bisschen. Ja, aber ich weiß, was meinst Du meinst. Das, man fühlt sich so, okay, ich bin jetzt da. Ja. Es war halt auch an 'nem Tag, wo es war 'n Sonntag oder so und 'n Feiertag, war halt auch nix los. Ja, es war jetzt, also es war wirklich in keinster Weise schmeckt. Ja. Ich bin da voll bei dir. Ja. Ja. Aber ich glaub, ja, wie gesagt, Vegas spielt ja schon halt auch mit rein, weil wie, also unabhängig von dem, was Du eingangs gesagt hast mit, da kann man auch irgendwie Spaß haben und so, was alles, alles richtig. Aber Du fühlst dich halt da nicht wirklich bei Google zu Gast. Nee. Aber trotzdem, also für mich war's von für mich war's schon letztes Jahr, weil das ist halt so Las Vegas übelst bekannt, trotzdem irgendwie interessant, das City, wenn man das noch nie gemacht hat, dann ist das schon alles geil, also insgesamt. Und das sicherlich auch mit ein Grund, warum sie's da machen. Einfach weil das halt auch hilft. Es ist vielleicht so, ich muss es auch nur einmal machen in meinem Leben. Ist es so oder? Okay, jetzt unabhängig von dem, dass ich da war. Wie wie sehr oder wie wenig reizt das sich denn da überhaupt noch mal hinzukommen? Oh, ich glaub, wenn's nicht so mega umständlich wär halt so weit weg und so, dann hätt ich schon noch mal Lust. Aber es ist jetzt nicht so, dass ich das Gefühl hab, ich muss da jetzt unbedingt noch mal hin. Also wenn mir wieder eine Reise dranhängt, dann ja. Aber so nur dahin, die Konferenz zu sehen, wahrscheinlich nicht. Da könnt ich mir, da würd ich gerne andere Dinge machen. Das ist interessant, weil ich hatte ja letzte Woche oder so auch 'n Blogpost zugeschrieben, für wen oder warum sich diese Konferenzen halt überhaupt lohnen, ne? Weil Du kannst jetzt natürlich genauso gut sagen, alles, was da präsentiert wird und das meiste von den Sessions kannst Du da auch von zu Hause Ja, ja, genau. Bekommen. Du machst das halt nicht. Ja. Das ist so genau die Frage, ne? Genau, also ich ich ich würde auch definitiv sagen, ich bin derjenige, der von der Konferenz profitiert, weil er sich dann zu, gezwungenermaßen nicht Zeit dafür nimmt. Fair. Ich auch, aber ich werd dir auch Leute halt sagen, so, nee, ja. Gibt mir nichts, brauche ich nicht. Nee, das ist schon das, was ich daran, was daran gut finde. Und halt, wie gesagt, grade eben diese Gespräche mit den Leuten halt zwischen den Sessions, ist da irgendwie, für mich zumindest, auch noch mal interessanter als jetzt die eigentliche Session per se. Ja, Und der Garnitch will eigentlich auch nur wegen dem Abendprogramm noch mal hin, oder? Ja, klar, ich mein, wir hatten schon eine gute Zeit. Hab's schon vermisst. Aber ich mein, ja, wir haben aber keine Serie muss man auch zugeben auf jeder Konferenz, auf die wir fahren, eine gute Zeit, aber Was meine ich denn? Bei 32000 Leuten im Stadion aufm Konzert ist halt schon auch nun mal cool. Genau, das ist halt das Ding. Ich mein, wenn Du mal 32000 Leute hast, dann hast Du auch irgendwie 'n paar Leute, die abfallen, die Lust auf was haben. Das ist ja auch ganz gut. So, ne, dann kannst Du halt irgendwie auch Abend Programm machen und Leute Aber das hatten wir bei via Developers hatten wir das auch, Dennis. Ja. Da war auch. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Ja, das stimmt. Aber ich mein, Ojediwil, das gehört auch zu 1 der größten Ja, ja, das hat auch wieder Was hat nicht so weit weggefallen? Und 1000 für das Party abfallen, dann reicht das. Ja, ja, genau. Bei uns hat's auch gereicht ob wir programmieren konnten. Da waren noch 3 Leute da. 3 Leute haben getanzt. Ja, ja. Ihr beide und wer noch? Nee, nee, nee, nee, nee. Dennis war gar nicht aufm Danceflur. Das ist gelogen. Ich war auch hier. Du warst da drüben in der Küche. Und aber eigentlich Die besten Partys sind die besten Partys. Ja, ja, ich mein, ich versteh's auch. Ich war hier auch. Also was heißt auch hier? Wir nehmen gerade in dem gleichen Raum auf, wenn der Gerald damals aufgelegt hat bei der Brücke. Ja stimmt. Ja stimmt. Das Week ging auf, machen wir ein bisschen Werbung für die, nee, machen wir noch gar nicht, ne. Probier Zweitausenddoch haben wir ja Du hast mal was Ticket verkauft, als ich weg war hab ich gehört. Ja, das ist geil. Da ist der Konto schon angegangen. Ich wollte die Webseite, ich hab die Webseite nicht deaktiviert bekommen. Die war auf einmal online und es gab einen Fehler bei, das können wir eigentlich uns auch noch mal angucken, den Fehler, warum man das nicht mehr wegmachen konnte. Anyway, ja, ein Ticket haben wir schon wieder verkauft und das Datum steht. Ja. Ach so, was jetzt da ist, das sagt fünfundzwanzigster sechsundzwanzigster November. Okay, aber der Ticketverkauf hat noch nicht gestartet. Wir warten noch auf ein paar letzte Zusagen von Speaker*innen Yes. Und dann könnt ihr keine Aber vielleicht das Ticket voll veröffentlicht ist. Ah ja und übrigens genau ein, 2 haben wir uns auch geschrieben, Hörer*innen, wohin jetzt die Seite hin ist, weil der Google Index hat die Werte auch aufgenommen, während sie online war. Crazy. Ja, der ist der ist fast. Ja, das ist halt, wenn man in 'nem Livesystem testet. Der der gut in der, war gar nicht so fast, wir waren einfach nur relativ snow, damit ich's auch wieder aufletzen. Ja. Profis. Profis, Hashtag Profis. Was holst Du noch? Oh Gott. Nee, das scrollt grade gegen durch 25 DIN A4 Seiten. Nein, nein, nein, das ist alles eine Folge gemacht. Hast Du die nicht zusammenfassen lassen irgendwie? Das ist meine Zusammenfassung. Na, ich hab tatsächlich noch son paar Punkte gehabt, so was über was so inhaltlich gesprochen wurde noch, aber ich glaub, das können wir sich alles schenken. Also, ne, ist jetzt die Frage, was was macht ihr, über was willst Du hier so reden? Wir können auch darüber reden, welche Prozessoren haben sie angekündigt und was jetzt irgendwie auf der Infrastrukturseite neu, aber wie gesagt, ich glaub halt, das ist nicht der Punkt, warum Du da eigentlich nicht Ich mein, wo wir doch dort kurz noch mal einen Satz drüber verlieren lassen können, so, es war kein Major Announcement, was kam, was ja schon irgendwie 'n bisschen bitter war. Und da ist jetzt seine Frage, was ist ein Major Announcement? Major Announcement ist, dass ich das irgendwie parallel in unseren News gelesen hätte oder wir es in der Premierbau besprochen haben. Und das sei das, was es gemeint hat mit, das war halt sehr viel Iteration dieses Jahr und kleiner Rest der Trades. Ja, genau. Und aber uns ungleichzeitig würde man ja von Google aktuell auch irgendwie erwarten, dass was kommt. Also Journal 3 1 ist ja jetzt nur auch schon 'n bisschen in die Jahre gekommen ist vielleicht in, eher in die AI Jahre. In die AI Jahre. Die die Hunde Jahre, die gehen son bisschen schneller rum. Oh Mann. Ich würde auch vermuten, dass sie intern irgendwie versucht haben, da irgendwas am Start zu haben, was aber wahrscheinlich nicht geklappt hat. Der, aber Es war halt echt viel auf so Infrastruktur und Plattformseite, ne, so wie kriegst Du jetzt halt deine Agents dahin und wie baust Du eigene Agents für deine Company und bla. Und da muss man schon sagen, sind's ja auch immer noch in soner Vorreiterrolle. Ja, also Du kriegst ja bei Open AI oder in Tropic, also so cool das halt ist, da kriegst Du jetzt nicht mal eben son Agent hin, der halt mit deiner ganzen Infrastruktur und mit deinem Data Warehouse und bla halt irgendwie alles sprechen kann. Also ich glaub, das ist halt die Welle, die Sie gerade reiten wollen, sagen so, hey, wir sind aus dieser Proof of Concept Phase raus, ihr könnt das jetzt mal alle irgendwie in eurem produktiven Flow einbinden. Wir müssen hier nicht mit dem nächsten Model die Ecke kommen, sondern der Hebel ist halt immer noch eher der mit, ihr sollt das überhaupt erst mal integrieren. Und da gab's schon auch 'n paar echt coole Demos zu und ich glaub auch immer noch so Sachen wie Agent to Agent und so was ist alles noch unterbewertet aktuell. Aber ja, es gab jetzt, wie Du sagst, nicht das irgendwie Major Announcement, dass sie jetzt gesagt haben, kommen jetzt mit Jamma 5 oder Gemini 4 oder keine Ahnung was die Ecke. Machen wir noch irgendwie 'n Abschlusssatz mal, fasst die Konferenz noch mal in einem Satz zusammen oder mit 3 Worten oder so was? Google Cloud Next. Einen Moment. Danke Dennis für den quasi bisschen. Du sollst nicht den Titel sagen. So machen wir 3 Worte so als Abschluss. Immer mehr Agents. So, okay, machen wir. Zelt. Ne, also weil wirklich, dass das war wirklich nicht. Immer mehr Agents. Das Pferd, was Sie bis zum Ende tot geritten haben, so. Okay. Agentic ist the way to go überall und jederzeit. Ja. Und das haben Sie ja auch schon, das ist ja auch spannend, schon sehr früh gestartet, ne, so, also bei dem Stammtisch, da wo wir da waren. Interessanterweise auch, boah, ich türe gerade, ob son NDA irgendwann weg ist. Na ja, das, was da geteilt wird, ist schon immer unter 'nem NDA, aber ich versuch's mal so auszudrücken. Also so diese diese Projektion, was Kosten angeht beispielsweise und ne, das fand ich damals schon superspannend, weil die hatten so Mock ups, die sie hatten und das ist jetzt auch schon wieder anderthalb Jahre her oder sowas und wo Du so was Linear mäßiges irgendwie hattest und da waren dann für Task, da standen dann Preise dran, so, ne, und die waren in Höhen, wo ich so dachte, wow, das ist ja dann, also das ist ja dann wirklich zur Abwägung, macht man's. Wie dieser wie dieser bisschen sagt, Kasse. Zu hell bestellen zu werden. Genau, ja, ich finde ja nicht spannend, weil weil sie günstiger sind als AI zu nutzen. Aber wo auf jeden Fall ist, ne, in in diese Richtung gegen, wo es Größenordnung war, wo man darüber nachdenken muss, wollen wir. Na ja, okay. Und wenn ich den Satz noch in 3 in 3 Worten diesen Satz noch sagen darf, da glaube ich nicht dran. Das waren mehr als 3 Worte. Das ist noch teurer wie Du hast. Ich glaube, das wird temporär wird's teurer werden und diese Abo Modelle, die wir gerade jetzt haben, funktionieren vielleicht nicht. Ich glaube aber mittelfristig wird das wieder, also unglaublich daran, dass es langfristig immer teurer wird und aktuell mag das subventioniert sein, die Abos, die wir haben, aber wir haben ja in den Entwicklungen gesehen, es wird effizienter, es wird günstiger, die Hardware wird optimiert dafür so. Also ich glaube, am Ende den Status, den wir jetzt haben an Coding Capabilities, die ja schon sehr, sehr weit sind, die werden für einen vernünftigen Preis angeboten werden und dafür werden wir uns nicht viel mehr zahlen. Alleine dafür sind ja auch die Open Modelle schon zu gut und zu weit, jetzt nicht absehen zu können, dass es auf irgendwie einigermaßen Hardware läuft so. Aber das nur eine 3 Worte Randmerkung. Perfekt. Ich bin sehr lange Worte. So, dann machst Du auch meine 3 Abschlussworte. Ja. Ich muss los. Ich mein Immerhin. Ich muss meinen in Kanada. Ja, eine Sache, die ich kann. Wie geht's den beiden? Mein Knie tun wir. Meine Finger sind 'n bisschen taub. Jetzt musst Du aber auch Kontext geben. 3 3 3 3 geht das gut. Was mit gar nicht? Von der Reise. Also 3 Worte. Das son LLM Test oder? Ob gar nicht so. Der ist. Gewitter. Lars. Okay. Und wie die Leute denn damit die draußen stehen? Fahrrad, Niederlandede Tage, 3. 3. 4. 4. Ja. Erster Mai. Ist das ein Wort? Erst einmal, ja, ne? Erster Mai ist ein Wort. Okay. Ein Wort und eine Zahler. Ein Wort. Jan Gregor, vielen Dank, dass Du uns ein bisschen Insights gegeben hast zur Google Cloud Next. Ich hoffe, ihr da draußen konntet ein bisschen was mitnehmen, auch wenn wir hier und da thematisch ein bisschen abgeschliffen sind. Ja doch, das ist doch unsere Stärke. Aber genau, wir messen uns natürlich hier mit der Programmiercon auch an 1 32000 Menschen Konferenz. Auf jeden Fall. Wir nehmen die guten Sachen mit. Na ja, bei uns ist onece in alifetime, weil das ist ja bei uns im Office, deswegen Location ist besonders. Besonders. Also darfst Du wiederkommen, also Twise in a Lifetime. Ja, das stimmt. Also ich würde auch behaupten, der durchschnittliche programmierbarer Hörer hat wahrscheinlich 'n größeres emotionales Attachment zu programmierbar als der durchschnittliche Google So nämlich. Dev zu Google. So nämlich. Okay. Feedback an Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar. Habt eine gute Zeit, bis ganz bald. Ciao, mach's gut, ihr Lieben. Tschüs. 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Das war eine Überlegung, es macht gerade drauf.\n\nSpeaker 0: Hören sich jetzt zu lange in Los Angeles.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber ich mein dann, nee, Los Angeles waren wir gar nicht sehr gut. Aber dann stell ich jetzt direkt die Frage, hast Du davor auch wieder eine Reise gemacht oder bist Du nur nach Las Vegas zurück?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich wollte, also ich hab auch. Ich bin nach Los Angeles geflogen, Dennis sagte, wo man nie zu kurz bleiben kann. Und weil das ja direkt in den Lufthansastreik gefallen ist, ist ja mein Vortrip quasi anderthalb Tage gekürzt worden.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ach, das war das.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und dementsprechend war ich nur einen Tag da, dann hab ich 'n Auto geholt und dann bin ich weitergefahren nach Vegas. Was? Also, ich mein, die Tour hast Du ja auch schon gemacht. Ja. So, durch die Wüste nach Vegas ist schon eine coole Strecke.\n\nJa. Trotz zu machen. Ist auch schön, 'n paar schöne Sachen anzugucken und so. Aber\n\nSpeaker 1: ja, war aber dann vielleicht viel\n\nSpeaker 2: nicht viel gemacht, sind so viel davon.\n\nSpeaker 0: Hast Du irgendeine Erstattung bekommen?\n\nSpeaker 2: Noch gefunden? Nicht, das muss ich mir noch alles mal angucken.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich hab\n\nSpeaker 2: jetzt noch nicht gemacht. Aber Okay. Wirklich.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber jetzt zum Hauptthema. Warum warst Vegas Vegas?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ach so, nein.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das haben wir jetzt schon Was hast Du abends gemacht? Nee, wie war denn die Konferenz? Was hast Du erlebt?\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau, erst mal auf 'ner Skala von 0 bis 10. 0 Kack Konferenz, 10 geilste Konferenz. 8.\n\nSpeaker 2: 8, glaub ich, das ist gut. Ich glaube, als ich das erste Mal da war, wär's wahrscheinlich noch eine 9 gewesen und das war, jetzt auch son bisschen die Frage zu beantworten, wie's war. Als das allererste Mal da war vor 3, 2, 3 Jahren, war es noch so sehr viel Google Cloud und Infrastruktur und son bisschen AI und AI eher so für die Leute, die sich so nischig damit beschäftigen, ja? Das war jetzt noch nicht so ultra prominent, das war hey, wir machen hier dieses Gemini und wir haben hier 'n paar coole neue Sachen und übrigens, wenn ihr euch mit Kontext Engineering beschäftigt, können wir da mal irgendwie 'n bisschen drüber reden. Es waren auch Leute von Deep Mind da, es waren Leute von Hackingface da, es war, ne, so viel von dieser Infrastruktur schon drumherum, aber es war jetzt noch nicht so ultra prominent und das war vor allen Dingen nur von den Leuten besucht, die sich halt sehr intensiv schon irgendwie damit beschäftigt haben.\n\nUnd das hat sich halt vollkommen gewandelt. So, also dieses Jahr war es ultraschwer, das Jahr schon zu finden, die halt nicht Nicht über Erbe. Irgendwie auch nur ansatzweise was mit AI drin gehabt hat, ja. Und es war vor allen Dingen sehr schwer, eine Session zu finden, die sich wirklich tief damit beschäftigt hat,\n\nSpeaker 0: weil\n\nSpeaker 2: das an ganz vielen Stellen war, also ich weiß nicht, wenn Du dich jetzt für Google Big Query interessierst, ja, dann gab's halt Sessions zu, ey, wie kann ich den Big Query MCP Server irgendwie benutzen und wie kann ich 'n Agent da rein Also schon auch alles jetzt nicht unrelevante Themen, aber wenn Du dich halt so wie wir mit diesem AI Thema schon länger und tiefgehender beschäftigst, ist halt weniger davon revolutionär und viel mehr nur so evolutionär, wenn das Sinn macht. Und das hat das son bisschen abgewertet für mich, würde ich sagen, weil man halt schon auch merkt, ne, da sprechen wir auch oft drüber, wir sind, glaube ich, schon im Vergleich zu vielen anderen in der Branche noch relativ weit vorne bei dem Thema mit dabei und auf so Massenveranstaltungen, also es waren über 32000 Leute da, ja, da merkst Du halt schon, von den 32000 sind die allermeisten nicht auf unserem Niveau irgendwie unterwegs. Richtig.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Wie hast Du das gemerkt?\n\nSpeaker 2: Na ja, also einfach, wenn Du dir an, Entschuldigung, einfach Na, wenn Du halt in unserer Session reingehst, wo's halt diese Basics auch noch mal geht, ne, wo noch mal erklärt wird, was ist irgendwie son Agent Loop, wie funktioniert Tool Calling, was so und wenn da da wenn Du dich dann da umguckst und Du siehst halt viele Leute, die so, boah voll interessant und irgendwie beschreiben und gucken und tun, dann denkst Du so, ja okay, das war für uns war das halt vor einem oder 2 Jahren halt irgendwie News. So und für die ist das halt jetzt gerade irgendwie aktuell. Ja, weiß. Und ich glaube viele Leute haben halt dieses Jahr ganz oder viele Firmen haben halt dieses Jahr ganz bewusst Leute auf die Google Cloud Nextweek, diesen Teil halt mitzunehmen, Ja. Die sonst vielleicht letztes Jahr, vorletztes Jahr gar nicht hingekommen wären, ja, und das war halt schon son merkbarer Shift in der in der Audience und dementsprechend halt auch in dem in dem Content son bisschen mit.\n\nDas ist natürlich auch immer Ausdruck von sonem von soner Reifegrad vielleicht einfach von diesem ganzen Ding, ja, ja, wo es halt vor 2 Jahren einfach Proof of Concept und Fiesability und wir zeigen hier mal, wie irgendwie was funktioniert, das ist halt heute viele Entwicklerinnen oder Product People von großen Firmen, die sich halt eher damit beschäftigen müssen ja wirklich auch, wie kriege ich das in 'nem Enterpriskontext hin, wie kann ich hier irgendwie Policies durchsetzen, wie kann ich Authentifizierung und Identity Management da reinbringen, was ja auch ehrlicherweise Themen sind, mit denen wir uns glücklicherweise ja nie so wirklich rumschlagen müssen, aber wenn Du halt irgendwie alles über 'ner mittelgroßen Firma bist, sind das für dich wahrscheinlich schon relevante Fragen, die Du beantworten musst, bevor Du so mitspielen kannst, wie wir das vielleicht machen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Was, aber was wäre denn das, was Du erwartet hättest, der Konferenz eine neuen zu geben inhaltlich, weil am Ende ist es ja, ich mein, am Ende spiegelt's ja auch unseren Alltag irgendwie wider. Ich mein, AI ist halt das, was im Moment maßgeblich die Diskussion bestimmt und auch im Google Cloud Umfeld für uns jetzt im Moment jetzt keine Riesenthemen sind, wo wir irgendwie eine Infrastruktur anders verlieren wollen oder so weiter. Also von daher passt es ja eigentlich auch zu den Anforderungen, die wir haben, aber was Hast Du irgendwas beispielhaft, wo Du sagen würdest, ach, darüber hätte ich jetzt gerne mehr erfahren und das war jetzt nicht Teil davon?\n\nSpeaker 2: Also es gab 'n paar coole Sessions, zum Beispiel mit Leuten von Intropic, mit Leuten von Raplit, mit Leuten von Factory Air, also schon Leute, die in diesem Spiel ganz vorne irgendwie mit dabei\n\nSpeaker 0: sind und\n\nSpeaker 2: wenn die irgendwie eine Session machen und so ihre Lessons learned teilen und so teilen, wie sie auch mit Google Infrastruktur zusammenarbeiten und so was alles. Das finde ich halt super interessant. So und ich glaube, Google ist da schon in der Lage irgendwie mehr von diesen, ich sag mal so, triple-a-Kunden irgendwie bei zu karren und son bisschen mehr aus der Praxis zu erzählen, anstatt nur die eigenen Basics irgendwie darzulegen und wenn sie davon 'n bisschen mehr gemacht hätten, dann wär's irgendwie cool und man muss auch ehrlicherweise sagen, sie haben wahrscheinlich in meiner 8 von 10 Punkte Skala auch einfach einen Punkt verloren, weil sie dieses Jahr organisatorisch am schwächsten waren von allen Jahren, die ich bisher miterlebt hab. Und ich glaube, es hängt schlicht und ergreifend damit zusammen, dass es halt dieses Jahr tausende Leute mehr waren als in den letzten paar Jahren, aber die Venio halt überhaupt nicht mitskaliert ist. Also keiner der Prozesse drumherum ist irgendwie mitskaliert, ne.\n\nGabriel, Du hast das letztes Jahr miterlebt, als Du für die Keynote anstanden, wie voll es da war. Jetzt stell dir vor, es sind noch 'n paar 1000 Leute mehr da. Ich hab am Eingang von dem Konferenzhotel, also am Eingang vom Mandalai Bay gestanden, für die Keynote anzustehen, wenn Du dich erinnerst, dass es noch ungefähr einen Kilometer, also wirklich, ich hab's mal versucht auf der Karte so nachzurechnen, fast 'n Kilometer noch, den Du durch die Hotelanlage laufen musst, überhaupt am Keynotesaal zu stehen, so. Mhm. Als er auf der halben Strecke war, hieß das so, Keynote Arena ist voll.\n\nÜbrigens Keynote Arena 12000 Leute, also ist auch nicht klein, ja. Die ist voll. Wir leiten jetzt diese ganze Menschenmasse rum in son Overflow Room, wo wir quasi streamen können und zugucken können. Dann war ich ungefähr 'n Drittel davor, dann war der auch voll, dann wurde dieser Menschenstrom halt wieder umgelenkt. Und also bis ich ganz vorne war, war es der vierte Overflow Room, so, und wir haben schon die ersten 15 Minuten vom Stream irgendwie verpasst, so.\n\nUnd da denke ich mir halt, also sie wissen, wie viel Tickets sie verkaufen, sie wissen, wie viele Leute kommen, sie wissen, welche Räume sie haben. Es wär ja 'n einfaches gewesen zu sagen, okay, während der Keynote ist einfach jeder Raum 'n Overflow Room und Du kannst hingehen, wo Du willst und wir verteilen einfach die Masse. So 'n paar Kleinigkeiten waren halt organisatorisch irgendwie nicht so cool dieses Jahr und da denke ich mir, das haben Sie schon mal besser gemacht, Sie haben die Mittel, es besser zu können, das ist einfach nur vertane Chance. Mhm. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Was glaubst Du, warum's jetzt dieses Jahr so viel mehr waren als letztes Jahr?\n\nSpeaker 2: Weil ich glaube, sich mehr Leute damit beschäftigen müssen auch einfach, ne. Also wie ich grad gesagt hab, wenn Du jetzt in soner mittelgroßen Bude warst und AI die ganze Zeit son bisschen hast an dir vorbeiziehen lassen vielleicht auch, spielt halt, also zum einen stimmt auch so ganz klar FOMO irgendwie mit rein. Du willst es jetzt halt irgendwie mitnehmen, bevor alle anderen an dir vorbeiziehen. Ja. Du musst es aber vielleicht auch, weil vielleicht deine deine Kunden oder die Leute mit denen sonst so Partners das halt auch von dir erwarten.\n\nMhm. Und dann musst Du dich halt irgendwo mal aufn aktuellen Stand bringen. Und dafür ist jetzt schon auch keine schlechte Veranstaltung.\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm. Also Du glaubst, die Unternehmen haben ihre Mitarbeiter 'n bisschen da hingeschickt, weil sie dachten so, okay, das ist jetzt, keine Ahnung, für die ist ja irgendwie die ARD Weiterbildung, die wir brauchen irgendwie oder die\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, auf jeden Fall. Und es gab ja auch genau für diese Zielgruppe eigentlich die richtigen Sessions.\n\nSpeaker 1: Na ja, okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das heißt aber auch, die war die letzten Jahre nicht ausverkauft? Doch, doch. Ich würde behaupten, die haben einfach\n\nSpeaker 2: jetzt mehr Tickets verkaufen. Okay. Ja. Mhm. Also ist ja auch fair, ne, wenn Du jetzt jahrelang dein Event ausverkaufst, dann ist es ja voll okay, wenn Du jetzt mal anfängst irgendwie mehr Tickets halt irgendwie dafür rauszuhauen, aber Du musst halt gucken, dass der Rest irgendwie mitskaliert und mitwachsen kann.\n\nMhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wie viele 10 von 10 Sterne Vorträge hattest Du?\n\nSpeaker 2: So jeden Tag 1, 2, vielleicht über 3 Tage, vielleicht eine Handvoll dann,\n\nSpeaker 0: ne?\n\nSpeaker 1: 3 Tage waren's?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Also vielleicht 5 oder 6, wo ich sagen will, die\n\nSpeaker 1: Das finde ich erstaunlich viel. Für 'n Vortrag. Also ich find oft so\n\nSpeaker 2: Weil dafür, dass, also wenn Du jetzt meinen Kalender angucken würdest, ich war halt schon jeden Tag auf, weiß ich nicht, 6, 8 Vorträgen. Ja. Anteilmäßig ist es dann schon wieder Ja. Nicht so viel, aber ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das stimmt, aber trotzdem, also 10 von 10 Vortrag ist auf Konferenzen finde ich selten, ja. Also das finde ich schon mal cool. Hast Du da son Beispielvortrag, den Du, wo Du mal Bock hast, bisschen reinzugehen?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich hab 'n sehr coolen Talk mit 'nem Panel gesehen und 1 der Panel Teilnehmer war der, oh Gott, jetzt muss ich überlegen, Chief m l Mensch von Factory AI, die ja so für Roboter und AI Zeuge machen. Und der hat was ganz Interessantes gesagt, wir haben da auch in der Premiere vor letztes oder vorletztes Jahr darüber gesprochen so, er hat das so Model Overhang bezahlt, also der Vorsprung, den die Models grade haben, ja, wenn ne dieser dieser berühmte Spruch, wenn wir heute aufhören würden neue Modelle zu entwickeln, könnten wir noch Jahre neue Produkte bauen, weil die Modelle eigentlich so viel besser sind, dass wir sie jetzt grade noch gar nicht ausreizen und eigentlich die Modellentwicklung viel schneller ist, als wir mit der\n\nSpeaker 0: Produktentwicklung hinterherkommen. Son Zitat von mir.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja? Was hast Du das auf der Cloud Next gesagt, Mensch? Das ist ganz schön.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das erzähle ich das immer. Okay? Ja? Ja, genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, nein.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und er\n\nSpeaker 2: meint Die Idee\n\nSpeaker 1: hat halt Google, von der das\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ich glaub auch. Das deswegen geht's auch immer mit diesem Developer Stammtisch von denen da so. Ja, genau. Und was er halt gesagt hat, so, die diese dieser Gap ist halt zum ersten Mal, dass sie sehen, dass er halt schrumpft und für sie ist jetzt halt absehbar, dass sie oder ist der Zeitpunkt absehbar sehr konkret, dass die Produktentwicklung tatsächlich die Models einholt Ah. Und sich dann dieses Spiel halt umdrehen könnte, dass sie dann tatsächlich anfangen müssen zu warten auf wann kommt 'n neues Modell und was bringt was anderes.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das weil die da\n\nSpeaker 1: ja Germani benutzt haben.\n\nSpeaker 2: Sternchen. Wenn nicht noch mal son Model Step Change kommt wie Mo e oder halt irgend 'n architektisches, der jetzt wirklich noch mal so 'n Faktor irgendwie draufsetzt, aber wenn es jetzt wirklich nur so interpoliert, das was die letzten paar Jahre passiert ist,\n\nSpeaker 1: Okay.\n\nSpeaker 2: Dann sagt er, okay, jetzt haben wir's tatsächlich doch mal geschafft, das irgendwie auszureizen, ja. Und deshalb meinte ich so, das sind ja die Insights, weshalb ich zumindest irgendwie dahinfahr und mir hoffe so, wow, mehr mit Leuten zu sprechen oder denen zuzuhören, die halt wirklich so da ganz vorne mit dabei sind und ich glaube, Google hätte da viel mehr von irgendwie noch im Gepäck haben können, von so Leuten und von so Talks. Vielleicht hab ich's ja auch nicht alle gefunden, bestimmt bei über 1000 Sessions so, ja, aber das ist für mich so der relevante Teil und jetzt nicht unbedingt, dahin zu gehen und so, hey, wir zeigen dir mal, wie man mit Google AI Studio so prototypmäßig schnell was zusammenbaut oder so, ja, also nicht dieser dieser Hands on Teil, sondern wirklich da so mit mal son paar Nasen aus der Industrie da irgendwie mal quatschen zu können.\n\nSpeaker 0: Rein historisch würde ich irgendwie denken, wenn man bei Google Cloud ist, das ist ja eher irgendwie Backend und Serversachen und so, weil ne, ist das auch was, was 'n bisschen durch AI geschiftet ist oder sind das noch so die gleichen klassischen Rollen, die jetzt dort sind? Also ich mein, ja, insgesamt hat sich sowieso alles 'n bisschen Richtung Vollzeit und so weiterentwickelt, aber tendenziell, also Google Cloud ist ja schon irgendwo, wo man erst mal sagt, das ist jetzt keine allgemeine Entwickler*innenkonferenz, sondern irgendwie erst mal einen einen Teilbereich.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, also Du findest natürlich krass, viel mehr Content zu Themen wie Backend, Datenbanken, Infrastruktur, Server Architektur, bla bla bla. Und jetzt viel weniger zu UI, UX, ne. Es gibt auch immer son paar Sachen, die mit Flatter und AI Studio, Prototyping und bla, aber das sind, weiß nicht, vielleicht so 10 Prozent, also es ist schon sehr infrastruktur- und backend lastig noch. Aber auch da, wie gesagt, bei jedem Talk mit, hey, wie kann hier mein Agent oder dein Agent oder irgendein Agent halt mithelfen und mitspielen jetzt so ungefähr.\n\nSpeaker 1: Hast Du irgendwas gehört oder gelernt, was jetzt dein deine Arbeit ändern wird? Also glaubst Du, Du wirst irgendwas anders bauen, machen als vorher? Wirst Du irgendwas anderes nutzen als vorher? Hat es außer Mindset irgendwas Praktisches bei dir geändert?\n\nSpeaker 2: Nichts Revolutionäres.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also ich\n\nSpeaker 2: hab mir son paar Tools angeguckt,\n\nSpeaker 0: ja,\n\nSpeaker 2: ich hab zum Beispiel sehr lange auch am Jetbrain Stand gestanden, weil\n\nSpeaker 1: a bin\n\nSpeaker 2: ich ja Fanboy und b kennen wir die ja auch irgendwie mittlerweile ganz gut durch ja Niklas so und hab mit dem mal so gequatscht, wo bei denen die Reise hingeht und dann haben wir auch vor Kurzem dieses Video veröffentlicht, wo sie mal son bisschen ihre Company Philosophie neu Schrägstrich anders erklärt haben und da haben wir son bisschen geschaut, wir dachten ja okay, vielleicht muss man sich da 1, 2 Sachen irgendwie noch mal im Detail anschauen, aber das ist jetzt auch nichts, was das irgendwie revolutionär anders macht für mich, ja. Es war eher so, dass son paar Talks mir noch mal zu denken gegeben haben, wie das perspektivisch vielleicht weitergehen kann. Ich hab 'n coolen Talk gesehen, wo der Dingsbums President Product Mensch von Raptit gesessen hat und son bisschen darüber philosophiert hat, wie sich AI und Pricing halt in den nächsten paar Monaten und Jahren verändern wird, ja. Und der hat was superinteressantes gesagt, zum einen hat er auch gesagt, es ist halt absehbar, dass der ganze Spaß teurer wird, weil wir halt sehr lange in 'ner sehr subventionierten Welt gelebt haben und jeder einfach nur Marktanteil haben wollte, Marktanteil Marktanteil und dementsprechend ist AI eigentlich aktuell in der Verbindung zu günstig und wir sehen das gerade schon in der Diskussion bei Chat Brains, bei GitHub, bei OpenAI, nenn ich bei OpenAI bei Intropic, die überlegen, Cloud\n\nSpeaker 0: Code\n\nSpeaker 2: in irgendwie 'n teureren Plan zu heben und so was. Also ich glaube, da da wird noch 'n bisschen was passieren, aber das Fundamentale, was er gesagt hat, ist eigentlich, dass sie grade versuchen oder überlegen, wie sie von diesem tokenbasierten Pricing wegkommen können. Mhm. So, weil Tokens halt für Endanwender und jetzt muss man natürlich überlegen, für Replith sind Endanwender noch mal weniger technische Leute als jetzt wir hier in in der Core Audience sind, aber sagt halt, Tokens verlieren immer mehr an Nachvollziehbarkeit. So.\n\nZum einen, weil Du sowieso, wenn Du jetzt zu 'nem zu 'nem Agent gesagt, hey, bauen wir mal irgendwie dieses Feature, hast Du überhaupt gar keinen Plan davon, wie viel Tokens das irgendwie verwendet so und durch so neuere Features wie Dynamic Thinking und so was ja noch mal unvorhersehbar geworden ist, wie viele Tokens diese Modelle überhaupt aufwenden, intern so, ja? Die Du gar nicht siehst im im Gesprächsverlauf und er prognostiziert, prophezeit, überlegt, wie auch immer, dass wir eigentlich hinkommen müssen zu sonem festpreisbasierten Modell, ja, wo halt Replit zum Beispiel ja dann hingehen würde und sagt, Du willst, dass wir dir eine App bauen, diese App kostet dich, hat keine Zahlen genannt, aber ich sag jetzt einfach mal 500 Dollar so. Du sagst uns, was Du willst, wir weiben das für dich so quasi dann zusammen und dann kriegst Du das und Du musst dich nicht damit beschäftigen, wie viel Tokens das eigentlich braucht, ja. Und dann ist das son bisschen nachvollziehbarer für alle Seiten, wie das eigentlich funktionieren könnte. Er hat ehrlicherweise dann so direkt hinterhergeschoben, die LLMs sind halt noch nicht weit genug dafür.\n\nAlso was im Klartext ja heißt, LLMs arbeiten noch nicht sauber genug, als das Raplit in dieses Risiko reingehen will, ja, und deshalb müssen sie sich jetzt grade noch an den Kunden auslagern, aber das ist son bisschen, wo die wo die Reise hingeht.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber das sehe ich halt aber auch eigentlich nur für sone Software oder eine App wie, also das kannst Du ja nicht mal, aber jetzt bei dir.\n\nSpeaker 2: Na ja, aber auch ein GitHub kann ja sagen, Du willst deinen Branch AI Code reviewt haben. Das machen wir nicht mehr tokenbasiert, sondern jede AI Branch Code Review kostet dich derzeit 2 Dollar 50. So, egal wie viel Aufwand da drin ist, egal bla und der AI Anbieter geht quasi in die Mischkalkulation rein, ne. Und das glaube ich schon, dass ich das durchsetzen kann. Das ich glaub tatsächlich, dass es in so Sachen einfacher ist, als jetzt auf der der AppLight Ebene, die dann auf einmal schätzen müssen, was fürn ganzes Feature oder sone App oder keine Ahnung, was es kostet.\n\nAber bei so kleinen Sachen, Du willst, dass ich da einen Text Review, Du willst 'n 'n Pull request haben, Du willst 'n, ich mein, bei Bildergenerierung ist es ja im Prinzip auch schon so, ne, da beschäftigst Du dich auch nicht mit, wie viel Tokens das eigentlich sind, sondern das wird auch öfter mal nach Arbeit schon abgerechnet, ja. Kann schon verstehen, wie man da hinkommen will. Aber also zurück auf die Frage zu kommen, das sind eigentlich so die Sessions, die ich halt interessant auf alle. Ja. So son bisschen\n\nSpeaker 1: Zukunftsgedanken, wo geht dir wo geht die Reise hin, meinst Du? Ja. Und weil Du's grad schon erwähnt hast, wie viel warst Du auf dem Messestand unterwegs? Also hast Du dich so viel mit Leuten unterhalten, dir Sachen angeguckt?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ehrlicherweise dieses Jahr weniger als in den letzten Jahren, aber weil ich halt auch alleine war. Also letztes Jahr waren wir ja zu dritt\n\nSpeaker 1: und wir haben uns\n\nSpeaker 2: son bisschen aufteilen können, wer geht irgendwie wohin. Ja. Und wenn man halt alleine ist, dann muss man schon son paar von den Sessions ja auch mitnehmen und dann bleibt halt irgendwie 'n bisschen weniger Zeit für Expo und Messer und so. Ja. Ich hab dann schon versucht son bisschen was mitzunehmen, aber ich hab definitiv weniger gemacht als letztes Jahr.\n\nJa, okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und das ist dann praktisch, fühlt sich das an wie ein erweitertes Angebot der Konferenz oder ist es schon ähnlich zu einem Sponsorship und die wollen dann was, also Sponsoren, die da sind, die wollen einfach was verkaufen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Die Messe meinst Du? Ja. Boah, super unterschiedlich Und ich glaub, da kommt's auch ganz drauf an, wie man mit den Leuten irgendwie ins Gespräch kommt. Es gibt da Stände, die wollen dir einfach nur irgendwie was verkaufen so, ja. Wenn Du jetzt bei, oh Gott, jetzt darf ich nichts Falsches sagen.\n\nAber Great Braines. Das war für mich noch 'n positiver Beispiel, aber weil ich da halt schon selber mit genug Vorwissen reinkommen bin, halt sehr konkrete Fragen zu stellen und lass mal hier irgendwie 'n bisschen Deep Talk machen, ja. Ich war zum Beispiel bei Langchain am Stand und das war direkt sehr schnell sehr irgendwie, obwohl ich auch nur technische Fragen hatte. Son bisschen schwierig. Ich glaube, man kann das nicht pauschalisieren.\n\nWenn man selber nicht aufpasst und einfach nur an son Stand geht und eine komische Frage stellt, dann wird das, glaube ich, immer sehr schnell sehr selsea. Mhm. Und dann halt zu gucken, okay, wie kriege ich das halt irgendwie technisch hin und ich hab ja auch den Vorteil, dass ich immer sagen kann, so, ich komm nur vom Podcast, ich kaufe ja eigentlich nichts, so, ja, weil die Programmierbar per se nicht der Kunde ist für Langetrain, nicht für Nvidia, nicht für SAP, für keine Ahnung, wenn das so alles da war, ja, sondern wir wirklich ja nur am am Content sozusagen interessierte, ist das immer noch mal son einfacher Weg raus und wenn man dann den Leuten auch noch sagt, dass man nur 'n deutschsprachigen Podcast hast, dann wollen sie dir nicht mal mehr noch 'n Gast andrehen in den meisten Fällen, weil's ja viel englischsprachig dann so ist, ja. Und dann kann man ganz normal mit denen reden, aber, ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Kriegst Du das Angebot häufig, wenn Du sagst, Du machst 'n Podcast, dass sie so sagen so, oh ja, wir haben da jemanden, mit dem könntest Du mal quatschen?\n\nSpeaker 2: Also auf Sohn auf einen Trailer auf jeden Fall. Wilt. Ist ja ziemlich gut. Doch.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ich fand's irgendwie auch so, also da waren ja dann auch so Stände von Google irgendwie zu verschiedenen Cloud Sachen. Das find ich echt ganz cool. Du hast halt das Gefühl, okay, da steht jetzt 'n Experte, wenn Du Fragen hast, kannst den halt auch fragen, aber grad son Stand wurden an irgend eine Software, die ich nicht kenne. Ich mir auch so, ja, ist ganz nett irgendwie, aber\n\nSpeaker 0: Kann man's nicht viel Prozent der jährlichen Arbeitszeit von Google Mitarbeitern auf so Sachen draufgehen ist jetzt 'n bisschen negativ formuliert, investiert werden. Also, weil ich glaube schon, dass es 'n, dass es was sehr besonderes ist, dass sie auch immer\n\nSpeaker 1: so an die\n\nSpeaker 0: Leute gehen und\n\nSpeaker 1: Du weißt nicht halt die\n\nSpeaker 0: 0 auf 15 Leute hast, sondern halt die Entwickler*innen von den Tools so. Also das heißt, die sind schon sind schon sehr nah dran, aber ähnlich auch mit dem, nee, Du hast nicht Kaffeekranz gesagt, was hast Du eben gesagt, zu meinem Google Treffen? Stammtisch, Stammtisch. So, ne, wo ja auch relativ hochrangige Produktmanager sich irgendwie 'n Tag Zeit nehmen, irgendwelchen Hanseln zuzuhören, was für Ideen haben, was ja schon irgendwie in der Kultur einfach so dann etabliert ist, aber da würde mich interessieren, so wie, das ist ja nicht jeder einzige Konferenz, ist jetzt vielleicht mit die größte, oder was heißt mit die Größe, die größte von Google Gehostete, aber, na. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Oh, ich glaub schon, dass die da Monate rein investieren.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, 4, vielleicht war.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, aber ich mein jetzt so der einzelne Engineer. Also weißt Du, jemand, der halt wirklich in, was weiß ich, nimm Beispiel in Firebase an irgendeiner AI Integration arbeitet und dann da danach dann auf dem Stand steht, weil das sind ja schon die Leute auch viel, die es entwickeln. Also ich glaube irgendwie, Ja. Kannst da, Du kannst bei Google nicht 'n herausragender oder es ist schwierig, ein herausragender Softwareentwickler oder eine Entwicklerin zu sein und nicht eingeteilt zu werden, auf 1 dieser Konferenzen am Stand zu stehen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, aber ich glaub, die haben dann auch schon 4 Unterstützung von dem Developer Relations Team, was ihnen halt hilft, irgendwie 'n Prototyp, eine Demo, 'n Proof of Concept zu bauen, der halt irgendwie catchy ist, der das Essenzielle schnell vermittelt und bleibt. Ja, ja,\n\nSpeaker 0: klar, die die organisieren den Stand nicht so, ne, aber die werden trotzdem einfach eingeteilt eingestellt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Tja, aber ist das so zwang denkst Du, ist das nicht so, Herr Wert Bock für macht's?\n\nSpeaker 2: Nee, ich glaub bei Ich\n\nSpeaker 0: glaub schon, dass das Teil der\n\nSpeaker 2: Erwartungshaltung. Teil\n\nSpeaker 0: der. Ja. Erwartung. Und also ich mein, viele machen's natürlich auch gerne, weil's halt einfach\n\nSpeaker 1: Würd jetzt auch tun, man.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau, also gehört einfach dazu, so. Aber ist ja schon speziell, würde es jetzt hier bei deutschen Unternehmen oder so was, die würden halt dir HR Team da hinstellen oder keine Ahnung. So, ne.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber genau, das wissen, finde ich eigentlich schade, so, ne, weil wie Du schon sagst, Du kommst dann zum Stand, hast technische Fragen und kriegst ja trotzdem den Sales Talk, weil steht halt Gut,\n\nSpeaker 2: das war jetzt mehr von den Ausstellern und die bezahlen ja auch, da zu sein, ne?\n\nSpeaker 0: Weil bei\n\nSpeaker 2: Google ist das noch mal 'n bisschen\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber trotzdem, also das ist, ich find's halt eigentlich 'n Fehler, ne, weil wenn Du Aussteller bist und auf eine Konferenz gehst, wo technische Leute sind, dann hab bitte auch jemanden da stehen, der technische Fragen beantworten kann und nicht nur 'n Sales Talk macht. Sind eigentlich schon wichtig. Also ist schon sinnig eigentlich.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Apropos Sales. Ja? Ist ja bestimmt kostenlos die Veranstaltung, weil Google viel Werbung machen kann für seine eigenen Produkte.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich wart ihr nicht mal, als das noch in San Francisco war auf der Cloudnext?\n\nSpeaker 0: Mit ihr meinst Du vielleicht 2 Lotungen Mitarbeiter, das waren Silvia und Fabi, aber Du\n\nSpeaker 2: warst auch nicht dabei.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich war noch nie da, nee.\n\nSpeaker 2: Okay. Weil das das würd mich mal tatsächlich interessieren, ob das früher nennenswert günstiger war oder nicht. Weil jetzt in Vegas, ich mein, das ist ja 'n Riesenkonferenzcenter. Also ich hab, war ja auch schon da, aber ich hab noch nie son großes Indoor Gebäude irgendwie gesehen. Ich war schon in Hannover auf der Messe und keine Ahnung was so, aber das ist abgefahren.\n\nUnd ich weiß nicht, ob's dann früher quasi günstiger war, aber jetzt kostet das Ticket regulär 2000 Dollar, im Early Bird 1000 Dollar und ich hab 7 800 Euro 800 Dollar 700 Euro bezahlt. Also Schnäppchenjäger. Na ehrlich, aber also das hab ich ja grad auch schon gesagt, ehrlicherweise, ich glaub für eine 3 Tageskonferenz mit vollem Catering und Programm und morgens, abends und so finde ich zumindest den Preis, den ich bezahlt hab, mit den 7, 800 Ja. Gerechtfertigt. Okay.\n\nWenn man dann überlegt, dass in den USA noch alles teurer ist und so, wär wahrscheinlich auch der Tausender noch einigermaßen machbar. Und ich glaub, der Zweitausender Preis, das ist son reines Marketingding, das die Leute halt einfach nicht zu kaufen. Ich glaube nicht, dass sie den brauchen, kostendeckend zu sein. Aber ja, das ist das Ding und dann kommt halt noch dazu, Val Vegas brauchst Du noch Flug und 'n Hotel und vielleicht noch 'n paar Spesen und so. Also ich würde immer denken, dass man, je nachdem wann und wie man bucht und wer weiß, wie das nächstes Jahr mit Spritweisen und alles aussieht, aber so zweieinhalb, 3000 Dollar musst Du wahrscheinlich in die Hand nehmen, da mitmachen zu können.\n\nUnd das bezahlt leider nicht Google. Ich hab, also ich seit Jahren frag ich nach 'nem Presseticket, so, ja. Ja. Seit Jahren wird die programmierbar ignoriert, aber irgendwann irgendwann kommt das noch.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, was ich lustig finde, weil wir ja, ne, im Podcast mit Philipp sind, so. Also irgendwie ist es ja schon sehr nah dran auch an Google oder nicht. Jo. Jo. Ja,\n\nSpeaker 2: musst Du mir nicht erklären. Ich dachte einfach den Kitsch auf irgendwie. Ja, aber tatsächlich, also die Leute, die mir sonst irgendwie ein Ticket hätten besorgen können, wir haben mit gesprochen und ich hab mit gesprochen. Die haben halt auch gesagt, so, es wird halt jedes Jahr gefühlt eher schwerer als leichter, Leute dahin einzuladen. Und ich vermute mal, das hat damit zu tun, dass sie halt schon versuchen, möglichst viel der Kapazität halt auch für möglichst viele Gäste, also in Anführungszeichen, richtige Teilnehmer quasi freizuhalten\n\nSpeaker 1: und nicht Und nicht zahlende Teilnehmer oder was meinst Du mit der Regel? Ja, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und nicht halt Presse in Anführungszeichen, ne?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, Presse könnt ihr jetzt noch verstehen. Aber ich mein grundsätzlich, das ist ja auch erst auf Google Veranstaltungen der letzten Monate und Jahre schon auch deutlich gewesen, dass das Budget dort bei Google auch nicht mehr so unbegrenzt ist, wie es mal war. Na, also ich glaube schon, dass sie auch einfach anfangen, 'n bisschen sparsamer zu sein, was solche Sachen angeht und ich glaube, das ist auch ein Teil, warum man vielleicht dann nicht so einfach als Partner Ich mein, wir sind die Zahlen öffentlich, ich weiß ich gar nicht, aber ich mein, wir zahlen ja auch einen hohen sechsstelligen Betrag im Jahr dort, ne. Also auch das alleine könnte er schon\n\nSpeaker 2: irgendwo Ja, Du hast Loto 'n Tick Ticket kriegen können, einfach nur weil sie 'n guter Kunde sind, das Da sind\n\nSpeaker 0: ja jetzt auch immer eine Platte, ne. Dann auch egal.\n\nSpeaker 1: Könnte man auch mal anfragen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das ist sicherlich richtig. Aber ich, also diesen Trend, den Du beschreibst mit diese großen Konferenzen werden son bisschen, also zurückgefahren ist, glaube ich, auch schon zu viel gesagt, weil da passiert ja immer noch unglaublich viel, ja. Und allein das Abendprogramm passiert da irgendwie Aufwand, kostet bestimmt auch Hunderttausende Dollar. Aber sagst Du, das Geld sitzt halt gefühlt einfach nicht mehr so locker als früher. Mhm.\n\nIch frag mich, ob das nicht irgendwie am falschen Ende gespart ist, grade wenn Du 1 von diesen ganz Großen bist und halt schon noch in der Lage bist, dir das zu leisten, ist es ja schon son Ausdifferenzierungsmerkmal, ja, weil Du's halt wirklich nur machen kannst, wenn Du die Manpower hast und das Geld und erst mal kein AI der Welt, der das irgendwie abnehmen kann, ja. Also wenn ich jetzt überlege, ich bin hier 'n Google und ich will mich jetzt, weiß nicht, gegen Open AI in dem Space behaupten und ich hab zehntausende Ingenieurs und unglaublich viel Geld und überhaupt, dann würde ich halt das irgendwie nutzen, weil ich ganz genau weiß, dass OpenAI irgendwie chronisch anders darf ist und irgendwie anders auf sein Geld aufpassen muss so. Das ist ja 'n Vorteil, den Du irgendwie ausspielen kannst. Mhm. Und dass die dann da nicht eigentlich eher den gegenteiligen Move machen und sagen so, wir gehen da jetzt aber volle Kanne rein, weil wir sind die Einzigen, die diesen Space auf diese Art und Weise bespielen können.\n\nWeißt Du, haltest fürn Fehler? Ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, an wem würdest Du diese Konferenz empfehlen?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ja, Wahrscheinlich immer Hä, ja. Immer weniger Leuten vielleicht tatsächlich, ne. Also läuft das, wie am Anfang gesagt, ich glaub, früher war es son bisschen breiter aufgestellt. Jetzt ist es son bisschen, wir versuchen alle auf son gleiches AI Level zu heben sozusagen, war zumindest so dieses Jahr der der der große Tenor. Wenn das nächstes Jahr genauso bleibt, man kann ja Gott sei Dank das Programm vorher anschauen, wo uns 'n Ticket kauft, dann ist es wahrscheinlich für unsere Stammhörerschaft immer weniger relevant, weil so Formate wie die Programmierer hat das ja auch schon viel leisten so, ja.\n\nWenn man natürlich schon Google Cloud Kunde ist und da jetzt irgendwie 'n sehr konkreten Use Case hat oder vielleicht schon 'n sehr konkretes Projekt und dann da mal mit Experten irgendwie sprechen will und schauen will, okay, wie können wir jetzt hier was mit AI Studio, Veitax, Germany, auch immer irgendwie alles machen und wir haben vielleicht schon angefangen und Du kannst dir mit sehr konkreten Fragen da irgendwie hingehen, dann ist das, glaub ich, Gold wert. Mhm. So. Wenn Du jetzt einfach nur hingehst, weil Du denkst so, oh, ich will einfach mal maximal viel mitnehmen, dann war's in diesem Jahr zumindest jetzt nicht so rentabel aus der Hinsicht, wenn man schon sich schon 'n bisschen damit auskennt, ja? Abwarten.\n\nVielleicht pendelt das auch wieder son bisschen zurück, ne? Wenn sie jetzt nächstes Jahr denken, okay, wir haben jetzt diesen Beitrag geleistet und alle unsere Kunden oder zumindest die, für die das relevant und wichtig ist, die sind jetzt auf dem Level und dann können wir da irgendwie wieder 'n bisschen bisschen weitergehen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ist es denn auch sone Once in a Life Time Experience, mal unabhängig von den Inhalten?\n\nSpeaker 2: Also wie man das Unabhängig darf man schon dreimal da\n\nSpeaker 0: war. Genau, ja, aber genau deswegen, also keine Ahnung. WWDC war immer son Ding als jemand, der irgendwie Muss man mal gucken und sowas, muss man machen. Hab ich nie gemacht, ist glaube ich seit Corona auch nicht mehr so einfach zurückgekehrt. Also ich meine auch, wenn es jetzt mal diese On Zeit Sachen gibt, aber es sind halt die aufgezeichneten Präsentationen und so.\n\nAlso es ist glaube ich weit weg von dem Feeling, wie es mal irgendwie war, vermute ich, ohne da gewesen zu sein und hat das da noch sone Atmosphäre, das ist einfach irgendwie 'n Special Event. Da gibt's noch was über jetzt rein nüchtern betrachtet, so die Vorträge, wo man so sagt, okay, ist schon eine der coolsten Tech Events, whatever.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das ist auf alle Fälle 1 der bestproduzierten Tech Events, auf denen ich so war. Ja, also wenn man jetzt einfach nur mal erleben will, wie man eine Konferenz wirklich, unabhängig von dem, was wir am Anfang gesagt haben, mit Infrastruktur und Logistik, ja, wenn man das wirklich sehr gut vom Thema her durchzieht, wie man sehr breiten Kontext anbietet, wie man es schafft, irgendwie auch 'n Abendprogramm zu gestalten, das irgendwie Leute mitnimmt, ja, dann ist das schon irgendwie alles ganz cool. Ob ich das jetzt wirklich als so Ding, weiß nicht, also viele Leute, mit denen ich da zwischen Tür und Angel gesprochen hab, die waren auch schon mehrfach da, was jetzt auch son bisschen dagegen vielleicht spricht, dass man da einmal hin will und dann hat man das irgendwie abgehakt und kommt nicht wieder. Andererseits ist es ja auch eine andere Qualität, ne, also wenn man jetzt sieht, die Leute kommen da wirklich wieder hin, das spricht ja auch für die Veranstaltung. Und ich glaube, am Ende ist es auch gar nicht so limitiert, also was bei der WWDC ja auch schon immer war, es hat ja relativ früh auf son Lotterieystem zum Beispiel gesetzt, ja.\n\nEs hat so den Punkt, dass es ja auch bei Apple zu Gast war oder zumindest in Apples Hinterhof irgendwie war, dass man die Chance hatte, mit Apple Engineers zu sprechen, die sonst halt nicht dafür bekannt sind, ultra kommunikativ zu sein, ja. Das ist, glaube ich, alles bei Google nicht so der Fall und in Las Vegas schon zweimal nicht. Also Du fährst nicht nach Las Vegas, Google zu besuchen. So, da ist, glaub ich, die Google I o, die immer noch in San Francisco ist, oder? Und dann son bisschen näher zumindest schon mal an Mountain View vielleicht dran.\n\nVielleicht hat das mehr so den Effekt, ja, da da zu sein. Ich glaube, auf der I o merkst Du auch son bisschen mehr von Googles Character insgesamt. Also vielleicht ist der Vergleich dahin dann dann besser. Ansonsten würde ich jetzt nicht sagen, dass es ones in a life time ist. Ob man da jetzt als Entwickler, der vielleicht jetzt nicht so den den News Fokus hat wie, wenn ich da auch so Sessions drauf guck, ob man da wirklich dann jedes Jahr hin müsste, würd ich auch mal bezweifeln, ne.\n\nNe. Da reicht's wahrscheinlich auch, wenn man irgendwie jedes zweite oder dritte Jahr oder so was dann dann mitnimmt, weil man muss auch ehrlicherweise sagen, dass die die Iterationen in dieser AI Bubble ja schon zumindest in den letzten paar Monaten auch wieder 'n bisschen kleiner geworden sind. Also wenn man sich anguckt, was vielleicht der Step Change war von der Cloud Next 23 auf 24, da ist sehr viel passiert, da haben wir ja so Sachen gesehen wie Geminar, ich glaub 1 5 Pro, das erste Mal so mit 1000000 Tokens, Kontextwindo und so was alles und kannst Du jetzt selber deployen und bla bla bla und die ersten Jamma Modelle auch zum selber benutzen und so was alles in der Zeit, ja. Und aktuell dieses Jahr war es ja auch einfach nur. So,\n\nSpeaker 0: ja,\n\nSpeaker 2: also ich glaube, Gablelt, wenn er letztes Jahr da war, hat er viele coole Sachen mitbekommen. Dieses Jahr hat er wahrscheinlich nicht ultraviel verpasst. Wenn er nächstes Jahr übernächstes Jahr dann wieder dabei wär, dann ist wahrscheinlich das das Inkrement wieder groß genug, als dass es sich lohnt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Es ist am am Ende einfach wegen der Location auch eine Konferenz. Es fühlt sich halt nicht an, glaub ich, wie son Event, weil das so einfach sone Halle ist, ne, sone Konferenz.\n\nSpeaker 2: Eine Messehalle so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, genau. Und ich glaube, das das würde für mich, glaub ich, den Riesenunterschied machen zu sonem Event, wo Du das Gefühl hast, Du bist jetzt auch da bei denen zu Hause sozusagen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Also ironischerweise, als wir letztes Jahr auf der Cloudnext waren und unseren Roadtrip vorher gemacht haben, sind wir ja in San Francisco bei Apple vorbeigefahren. Ja. Und das fand ich mehr Teil von diesem one't on alive\n\nSpeaker 1: Teil Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und so, ja, da mal bei Apple gewesen zu sein, als dann die Cloud Nexon, der wär dann irgendwie Obwohl das ja auch rein,\n\nSpeaker 1: obwohl es ja auch fast irgendwie 'n Joke war da zu sein, ne, weil Du bist in diesem Center da, in diesem wie's? Bist Du das?\n\nSpeaker 2: Wir sind das Center, Du kommst nicht wirklich, Du weißt\n\nSpeaker 1: halt dieses Gebäude nicht. Du hast ja zum Glück die Drohne dabei gehabt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, wir haben 'n Industrie Spionage.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das war dann wieder geil, aber so, Du siehst ja, Du siehst eigentlich nichts von dem Gebäude, das ist halt einfach Bäume davor, bist Du ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, aber trotzdem war das gefühlt mehr son Bucket List abgehakt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, na ja, ich weiß, was Du meinst. 1\n\nSpeaker 2: auf der Cloudnext gewesen bist.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber es war Under bei dem Moment für mich 'n bisschen. Ja, aber ich weiß, was meinst Du meinst. Das, man fühlt sich so, okay, ich bin jetzt da. Ja. Es war halt auch an 'nem Tag, wo es war 'n Sonntag oder so und 'n Feiertag, war halt auch nix los.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, es war jetzt, also es war wirklich in keinster Weise schmeckt. Ja. Ich bin da voll bei dir. Ja. Ja.\n\nAber ich glaub, ja, wie gesagt, Vegas spielt ja schon halt auch mit rein, weil wie, also unabhängig von dem, was Du eingangs gesagt hast mit, da kann man auch irgendwie Spaß haben und so, was alles, alles richtig. Aber Du fühlst dich halt da nicht wirklich bei Google zu Gast. Nee.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber trotzdem, also für mich war's von für mich war's schon letztes Jahr, weil das ist halt so Las Vegas übelst bekannt, trotzdem irgendwie interessant, das City, wenn man das noch nie gemacht hat, dann ist das schon alles geil, also insgesamt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und das sicherlich auch mit ein Grund, warum sie's da machen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Einfach weil das halt auch hilft. Es ist vielleicht so, ich muss es auch nur einmal machen in meinem\n\nSpeaker 2: Leben. Ist es so oder? Okay, jetzt unabhängig von dem, dass ich da war. Wie wie sehr oder wie wenig reizt das sich denn da überhaupt noch mal hinzukommen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Oh, ich glaub, wenn's nicht so mega umständlich wär halt so weit weg und so, dann hätt ich schon noch mal Lust. Aber es ist jetzt nicht so, dass ich das Gefühl hab, ich muss da jetzt unbedingt noch mal hin. Also wenn mir wieder eine Reise dranhängt, dann ja. Aber so nur dahin, die Konferenz zu sehen, wahrscheinlich\n\nSpeaker 0: nicht.\n\nSpeaker 1: Da könnt ich mir, da würd ich gerne andere Dinge machen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das ist interessant, weil ich hatte ja letzte Woche oder so auch 'n Blogpost zugeschrieben, für wen oder warum sich diese Konferenzen halt überhaupt lohnen, ne? Weil Du kannst jetzt natürlich genauso gut sagen, alles, was da präsentiert wird und das meiste von den Sessions kannst Du da auch von zu Hause Ja,\n\nSpeaker 1: ja, genau. Bekommen. Du machst das halt nicht.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Das ist so genau die Frage,\n\nSpeaker 0: ne? Genau, also ich ich ich würde auch definitiv sagen, ich bin derjenige, der von der Konferenz profitiert, weil er sich dann zu, gezwungenermaßen nicht Zeit dafür nimmt. Fair.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich auch, aber ich werd dir auch Leute halt sagen, so, nee, ja. Gibt mir nichts, brauche ich nicht.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nee, das ist schon das, was ich daran, was daran gut finde.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und halt, wie gesagt, grade eben diese Gespräche mit den Leuten halt zwischen den Sessions, ist da irgendwie, für mich zumindest, auch noch mal interessanter als jetzt die eigentliche Session per se. Ja, Und der Garnitch will eigentlich auch nur wegen dem Abendprogramm noch mal hin, oder?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, klar, ich mein, wir hatten schon eine gute Zeit. Hab's schon vermisst.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber ich mein, ja, wir haben aber keine Serie muss man auch zugeben auf jeder Konferenz, auf die wir fahren, eine gute Zeit, aber Was meine ich denn?\n\nSpeaker 2: Bei 32000 Leuten im Stadion aufm Konzert ist halt schon auch nun mal cool.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau, das ist halt das Ding. Ich mein, wenn Du mal 32000 Leute hast, dann hast Du auch irgendwie 'n paar Leute, die abfallen, die Lust auf was haben. Das ist ja auch ganz gut. So, ne, dann kannst Du halt irgendwie auch Abend Programm machen und Leute Aber\n\nSpeaker 1: das hatten wir bei via Developers hatten wir das auch, Dennis.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Da war auch. Ja,\n\nSpeaker 0: ja, ja, ja. Ja, das stimmt. Aber ich mein, Ojediwil, das gehört auch zu 1 der größten\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ja, das hat auch wieder\n\nSpeaker 1: Was hat nicht so weit weggefallen?\n\nSpeaker 0: Und 1000 für das Party abfallen, dann reicht das.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ja, genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Bei uns hat's auch gereicht ob wir programmieren konnten. Da waren noch 3 Leute da.\n\nSpeaker 1: 3 Leute haben getanzt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ja. Ihr beide und wer noch? Nee, nee, nee, nee, nee.\n\nSpeaker 1: Dennis war gar nicht aufm Danceflur.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das ist gelogen. Ich war auch hier. Du warst da drüben in der Küche. Und aber eigentlich Die\n\nSpeaker 2: besten Partys sind die besten Partys.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ja, ich mein, ich versteh's auch.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich war hier auch. Also was heißt auch hier? Wir nehmen gerade in dem gleichen Raum auf, wenn der Gerald damals aufgelegt hat bei der Brücke. Ja stimmt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja stimmt. Das Week\n\nSpeaker 0: ging auf, machen wir ein bisschen Werbung für die, nee, machen wir noch gar nicht, ne. Probier Zweitausenddoch haben wir ja\n\nSpeaker 2: Du hast mal was Ticket verkauft, als ich weg war hab ich gehört.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das ist geil. Da ist der Konto schon angegangen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich wollte die Webseite, ich hab die Webseite nicht deaktiviert bekommen. Die war auf einmal online und es gab einen Fehler bei, das können wir eigentlich uns auch noch mal angucken, den Fehler, warum man das nicht mehr wegmachen konnte. Anyway, ja, ein Ticket haben wir schon wieder verkauft und das Datum steht.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Ach so, was jetzt da ist, das sagt fünfundzwanzigster sechsundzwanzigster November.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay, aber der Ticketverkauf hat noch nicht gestartet. Wir warten noch auf ein paar letzte Zusagen von Speaker*innen Yes. Und dann könnt ihr keine Aber\n\nSpeaker 2: vielleicht das Ticket voll veröffentlicht ist.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ah ja und übrigens genau ein, 2 haben wir uns auch geschrieben, Hörer*innen, wohin jetzt die Seite hin ist, weil der Google Index hat die Werte auch aufgenommen, während sie online war.\n\nSpeaker 1: Crazy. Ja, der ist der ist fast.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, das ist halt, wenn man in 'nem Livesystem testet.\n\nSpeaker 2: Der der gut in der, war gar nicht so fast, wir waren einfach nur relativ snow, damit ich's auch wieder aufletzen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Profis. Profis, Hashtag Profis. Was holst Du noch? Oh Gott.\n\nNee, das scrollt grade gegen durch 25 DIN A4 Seiten. Nein, nein, nein, das ist alles eine Folge gemacht.\n\nSpeaker 2: Hast Du\n\nSpeaker 1: die nicht zusammenfassen lassen irgendwie?\n\nSpeaker 2: Das ist meine Zusammenfassung. Na, ich hab tatsächlich noch son paar Punkte gehabt, so was über was so inhaltlich gesprochen wurde noch, aber ich glaub, das können wir sich alles schenken. Also, ne, ist jetzt die Frage, was was macht ihr, über was willst Du hier so reden? Wir können auch darüber reden, welche Prozessoren haben sie angekündigt und was jetzt irgendwie auf der Infrastrukturseite neu, aber wie gesagt, ich glaub halt, das ist nicht der Punkt, warum Du\n\nSpeaker 0: da eigentlich nicht Ich mein, wo wir doch dort kurz noch mal einen Satz drüber verlieren lassen können, so, es war kein Major Announcement, was kam, was ja schon irgendwie 'n bisschen bitter war.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und da ist jetzt seine Frage, was\n\nSpeaker 0: ist ein Major Announcement? Major Announcement ist, dass ich das irgendwie parallel in unseren News gelesen hätte oder wir es in der Premierbau besprochen haben. Und das\n\nSpeaker 2: sei das, was es gemeint hat mit, das war halt sehr viel Iteration dieses Jahr und kleiner Rest der Trades.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, genau. Und aber uns ungleichzeitig würde man ja von Google aktuell auch irgendwie erwarten, dass was kommt. Also Journal 3 1 ist ja jetzt nur auch schon 'n bisschen in die Jahre gekommen ist vielleicht in, eher in\n\nSpeaker 2: die AI Jahre. In die AI Jahre. Die die Hunde Jahre, die gehen son bisschen schneller rum.\n\nSpeaker 0: Oh Mann. Ich würde auch vermuten, dass sie intern irgendwie versucht haben, da irgendwas am Start zu haben, was aber wahrscheinlich nicht geklappt hat.\n\nSpeaker 2: Der, aber Es war halt echt viel auf so Infrastruktur und Plattformseite, ne, so wie kriegst Du jetzt halt deine Agents dahin und wie baust Du eigene Agents für deine Company und bla. Und da muss man schon sagen, sind's ja auch immer noch in soner Vorreiterrolle. Ja, also Du kriegst ja bei Open AI oder in Tropic, also so cool das halt ist, da kriegst Du jetzt nicht mal eben son Agent hin, der halt mit deiner ganzen Infrastruktur und mit deinem Data Warehouse und bla halt irgendwie alles sprechen kann. Also ich glaub, das ist halt die Welle, die Sie gerade reiten wollen, sagen so, hey, wir sind aus dieser Proof of Concept Phase raus, ihr könnt das jetzt mal alle irgendwie in eurem produktiven Flow einbinden. Wir müssen hier nicht mit dem nächsten Model die Ecke kommen, sondern der Hebel ist halt immer noch eher der mit, ihr sollt das überhaupt erst mal integrieren.\n\nUnd da gab's schon auch 'n paar echt coole Demos zu und ich glaub auch immer noch so Sachen wie Agent to Agent und so was ist alles noch unterbewertet aktuell. Aber ja, es gab jetzt, wie Du sagst, nicht das irgendwie Major Announcement, dass sie jetzt gesagt haben, kommen jetzt mit Jamma 5 oder Gemini 4 oder keine Ahnung was die Ecke.\n\nSpeaker 1: Machen wir noch irgendwie 'n Abschlusssatz mal, fasst die Konferenz noch mal in einem Satz zusammen oder mit 3 Worten oder so was?\n\nSpeaker 0: Google Cloud Next.\n\nSpeaker 2: Einen Moment. Danke Dennis für den quasi bisschen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Du sollst nicht den Titel sagen. So machen wir 3 Worte so als Abschluss. Immer mehr Agents. So, okay, machen wir.\n\nSpeaker 2: Zelt. Ne, also weil wirklich, dass das war wirklich nicht. Immer mehr Agents. Das Pferd, was Sie bis zum Ende tot geritten haben, so. Okay.\n\nAgentic ist the way to go überall und jederzeit.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Und das haben Sie ja auch schon, das ist ja auch spannend, schon sehr früh gestartet, ne, so, also bei dem Stammtisch, da wo wir da waren. Interessanterweise auch, boah, ich türe gerade, ob son NDA irgendwann weg ist. Na ja, das, was da geteilt wird, ist schon immer unter 'nem NDA, aber ich versuch's mal so auszudrücken. Also so diese diese Projektion, was Kosten angeht beispielsweise und ne, das fand ich damals schon superspannend, weil die hatten so Mock ups, die sie hatten und das ist jetzt auch schon wieder anderthalb Jahre her oder sowas und wo Du so was Linear mäßiges irgendwie hattest und da waren dann für Task, da standen dann Preise dran, so, ne, und die waren in Höhen, wo ich so dachte, wow, das ist ja dann, also das ist ja dann wirklich zur Abwägung,\n\nSpeaker 1: macht man's.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wie dieser wie dieser bisschen sagt, Kasse.\n\nSpeaker 2: Zu hell bestellen zu werden.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau, ja, ich finde ja nicht spannend, weil weil sie günstiger sind als AI zu nutzen. Aber wo auf jeden Fall ist, ne, in in diese Richtung gegen, wo es Größenordnung war, wo man darüber nachdenken muss, wollen wir.\n\nSpeaker 1: Na ja, okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und wenn ich den Satz noch in 3 in 3 Worten diesen Satz noch sagen darf, da glaube ich nicht dran.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das waren mehr als 3 Worte. Das ist noch teurer wie Du hast.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich glaube, das wird temporär wird's teurer werden und diese Abo Modelle, die wir gerade jetzt haben, funktionieren vielleicht nicht. Ich glaube aber mittelfristig wird das wieder, also unglaublich daran, dass es langfristig immer teurer wird und aktuell mag das subventioniert sein, die Abos, die wir haben, aber wir haben ja in den Entwicklungen gesehen, es wird effizienter, es wird günstiger, die Hardware wird optimiert dafür so. Also ich glaube, am Ende den Status, den wir jetzt haben an Coding Capabilities, die ja schon sehr, sehr weit sind, die werden für einen vernünftigen Preis angeboten werden und dafür werden wir uns nicht viel mehr zahlen. Alleine dafür sind ja auch die Open Modelle schon zu gut und zu weit, jetzt nicht absehen zu können, dass es auf irgendwie einigermaßen Hardware läuft so. Aber das nur eine 3 Worte Randmerkung.\n\nPerfekt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich bin sehr lange Worte.\n\nSpeaker 1: So, dann machst Du auch meine 3 Abschlussworte.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ich muss los.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich mein Immerhin.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich muss meinen in Kanada. Ja, eine Sache, die\n\nSpeaker 0: ich kann. Wie geht's den beiden?\n\nSpeaker 1: Mein Knie tun wir. Meine Finger sind 'n bisschen taub.\n\nSpeaker 2: Jetzt musst Du aber auch Kontext geben. 3 3\n\nSpeaker 0: 3 3 geht das gut.\n\nSpeaker 2: Was mit gar nicht?\n\nSpeaker 1: Von der Reise. Also 3 Worte.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das son LLM Test oder? Ob gar nicht so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Der ist. Gewitter.\n\nSpeaker 2: Lars. Okay. Und wie die Leute denn damit\n\nSpeaker 0: die draußen stehen? Fahrrad, Niederlandede Tage,\n\nSpeaker 2: 3. 3.\n\nSpeaker 0: 4. 4. Ja. Erster Mai. Ist das ein Wort?\n\nErst einmal, ja, ne? Erster Mai ist ein Wort.\n\nSpeaker 2: Okay. Ein Wort und eine Zahler. Ein Wort.\n\nSpeaker 0: Jan Gregor, vielen Dank, dass Du uns ein bisschen Insights gegeben hast zur Google Cloud Next. Ich hoffe, ihr da draußen konntet ein bisschen was mitnehmen, auch wenn wir hier und da thematisch ein bisschen abgeschliffen sind.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja doch,\n\nSpeaker 1: das ist doch unsere Stärke. Aber\n\nSpeaker 0: genau, wir messen uns natürlich hier mit der Programmiercon auch an 1 32000 Menschen Konferenz. Auf jeden Fall. Wir nehmen die guten Sachen mit.\n\nSpeaker 1: Na ja, bei uns ist onece in alifetime, weil das ist ja bei uns im Office, deswegen Location ist besonders. Besonders.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also darfst Du wiederkommen, also Twise in a Lifetime. Ja, das\n\nSpeaker 2: stimmt. Also ich würde auch behaupten, der durchschnittliche programmierbarer Hörer hat wahrscheinlich 'n größeres emotionales Attachment zu programmierbar als der durchschnittliche Google So nämlich. Dev zu Google. So nämlich.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay. Feedback an Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar. Habt eine gute Zeit, bis ganz bald.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ciao, mach's gut, ihr Lieben. Tschüs. 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ja.",{"sentences":26651,"speaker":124,"num_words":26655,"start":2434,"end":2494},[26652,26654],{"text":26653,"start":2434,"end":2491},"Nee, Rotreise so dieses klassische ab San Francisco bis wie relativ weit San Diego und dann Las Vegas.",{"text":2496,"start":2491,"end":2494},19,{"sentences":26657,"speaker":234,"num_words":26395,"start":2494,"end":2518},[26658],{"text":26659,"start":2494,"end":2518},"So, wird das auch gemacht haben, Gareth?",{"sentences":26661,"speaker":103,"num_words":26423,"start":2518,"end":2533},[26662],{"text":26663,"start":2518,"end":2533},"Nicht ganz bis San Diego.",{"sentences":26665,"speaker":124,"num_words":234,"start":2533,"end":2540},[26666],{"text":26667,"start":2533,"end":2540},"San Diego.",{"sentences":26669,"speaker":103,"num_words":26634,"start":2540,"end":2570},[26670,26671],{"text":355,"start":2540,"end":2543},{"text":26672,"start":2543,"end":2570},"Das war eine Überlegung, es macht gerade drauf.",{"sentences":26674,"speaker":124,"num_words":26534,"start":2575,"end":2599},[26675],{"text":26676,"start":2575,"end":2599},"Hören sich jetzt zu lange in Los Angeles.",{"sentences":26678,"speaker":103,"num_words":26683,"start":2602,"end":2697},[26679,26681],{"text":26680,"start":2602,"end":2636},"Aber ich mein dann, nee, Los Angeles waren wir gar nicht sehr gut.",{"text":26682,"start":2636,"end":2697},"Aber dann stell ich jetzt direkt die Frage, hast Du davor auch wieder eine Reise gemacht oder bist Du nur nach Las Vegas zurück?",37,{"sentences":26685,"speaker":234,"num_words":26692,"start":2700,"end":2820},[26686,26688,26690],{"text":26687,"start":2700,"end":2716},"Ich wollte, also ich hab auch.",{"text":26689,"start":2716,"end":2761},"Ich bin nach Los Angeles geflogen, Dennis sagte, wo man nie zu kurz bleiben kann.",{"text":26691,"start":2765,"end":2820},"Und weil das ja direkt in den Lufthansastreik gefallen ist, ist ja mein Vortrip quasi anderthalb Tage gekürzt 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prominent, das war hey, wir machen hier dieses Gemini und wir haben hier 'n paar coole neue Sachen und übrigens, wenn ihr euch mit Kontext Engineering beschäftigt, können wir da mal irgendwie 'n bisschen drüber reden.",{"text":26781,"start":3617,"end":3765},"Es waren auch Leute von Deep Mind da, es waren Leute von Hackingface da, es war, ne, so viel von dieser Infrastruktur schon drumherum, aber es war jetzt noch nicht so ultra prominent und das war vor allen Dingen nur von den Leuten besucht, die sich halt sehr intensiv schon irgendwie damit beschäftigt haben.",170,{"sentences":26784,"speaker":234,"num_words":26793,"start":3769,"end":3923},[26785,26787,26789,26791],{"text":26786,"start":3769,"end":3787},"Und das hat sich halt vollkommen gewandelt.",{"text":26788,"start":3787,"end":3844},"So, also dieses Jahr war es ultraschwer, das Jahr schon zu finden, die halt nicht Nicht über Erbe.",{"text":26790,"start":3848,"end":3876},"Irgendwie auch nur ansatzweise was mit AI drin gehabt hat, ja.",{"text":26792,"start":3878,"end":3923},"Und es war vor allen Dingen sehr schwer, eine Session zu finden, die sich wirklich tief damit beschäftigt hat,",55,{"sentences":26795,"speaker":124,"num_words":103,"start":3923,"end":3926},[26796],{"text":267,"start":3923,"end":3926},{"sentences":26798,"speaker":234,"num_words":26804,"start":3926,"end":4379},[26799,26801,26803],{"text":26800,"start":3926,"end":4171},"das an ganz vielen Stellen war, also ich weiß nicht, wenn Du dich jetzt für Google Big Query interessierst, ja, dann gab's halt Sessions zu, ey, wie kann ich den Big Query MCP Server irgendwie benutzen und wie kann ich 'n Agent da rein Also schon auch alles jetzt nicht unrelevante Themen, aber wenn Du dich halt so wie wir mit diesem AI Thema schon länger und tiefgehender beschäftigst, ist halt weniger davon revolutionär und viel mehr nur so evolutionär, wenn das Sinn macht.",{"text":26802,"start":4175,"end":4375},"Und das hat das son bisschen abgewertet für mich, würde ich 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Calling, was so und wenn da da wenn Du dich dann da umguckst und Du siehst halt viele Leute, die so, boah voll interessant und irgendwie beschreiben und gucken und tun, dann denkst Du so, ja okay, das war für uns war das halt vor einem oder 2 Jahren halt irgendwie News.",{"text":26815,"start":4671,"end":4696},"So und für die ist das halt jetzt gerade irgendwie aktuell.",{"text":26817,"start":4696,"end":4703},"Ja, weiß.",{"text":26819,"start":4703,"end":4786},"Und ich glaube viele Leute haben halt dieses Jahr ganz oder viele Firmen haben halt dieses Jahr ganz bewusst Leute auf die Google Cloud Nextweek, diesen Teil halt mitzunehmen, Ja.",{"text":26821,"start":4789,"end":4888},"Die sonst vielleicht letztes Jahr, vorletztes Jahr gar nicht hingekommen wären, ja, und das war halt schon son merkbarer Shift in der in der Audience und dementsprechend halt auch in dem in dem Content son bisschen mit.",173,{"sentences":26824,"speaker":234,"num_words":26827,"start":4892,"end":5281},[26825],{"text":26826,"start":4892,"end":5281},"Das ist natürlich auch immer Ausdruck von sonem von soner Reifegrad vielleicht einfach von diesem ganzen Ding, ja, ja, wo es halt vor 2 Jahren einfach Proof of Concept und Fiesability und wir zeigen hier mal, wie irgendwie was funktioniert, das ist halt heute viele Entwicklerinnen oder Product People von großen Firmen, die sich halt eher damit beschäftigen müssen ja wirklich auch, wie kriege ich das in 'nem Enterpriskontext hin, wie kann ich hier irgendwie Policies durchsetzen, wie kann ich Authentifizierung und Identity Management da reinbringen, was ja auch ehrlicherweise Themen sind, mit denen wir uns glücklicherweise ja nie so wirklich rumschlagen müssen, aber wenn Du halt irgendwie alles über 'ner mittelgroßen Firma bist, sind das für dich wahrscheinlich schon relevante Fragen, die Du beantworten musst, bevor Du so mitspielen kannst, wie wir das 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triple-a-Kunden irgendwie bei zu karren und son bisschen mehr aus der Praxis zu erzählen, anstatt nur die eigenen Basics irgendwie darzulegen und wenn sie davon 'n bisschen mehr gemacht hätten, dann wär's irgendwie cool und man muss auch ehrlicherweise sagen, sie haben wahrscheinlich in meiner 8 von 10 Punkte Skala auch einfach einen Punkt verloren, weil sie dieses Jahr organisatorisch am schwächsten waren von allen Jahren, die ich bisher miterlebt hab.",{"text":26855,"start":6009,"end":6100},"Und ich glaube, es hängt schlicht und ergreifend damit zusammen, dass es halt dieses Jahr tausende Leute mehr waren als in den letzten paar Jahren, aber die Venio halt überhaupt nicht mitskaliert ist.",{"text":26857,"start":6100,"end":6128},"Also keiner der Prozesse drumherum ist irgendwie mitskaliert, ne.",164,{"sentences":26860,"speaker":234,"num_words":26870,"start":6128,"end":6427},[26861,26863,26865,26867,26868],{"text":26862,"start":6128,"end":6179},"Gabriel, Du hast das letztes Jahr miterlebt, als Du für die Keynote anstanden, wie voll es da war.",{"text":26864,"start":6181,"end":6211},"Jetzt stell dir vor, es sind noch 'n paar 1000 Leute mehr da.",{"text":26866,"start":6214,"end":6386},"Ich hab am Eingang von dem Konferenzhotel, also am Eingang vom Mandalai Bay gestanden, für die Keynote anzustehen, wenn Du dich erinnerst, dass es noch ungefähr einen Kilometer, also wirklich, ich hab's mal versucht auf der Karte so nachzurechnen, fast 'n Kilometer noch, den Du durch die Hotelanlage laufen musst, überhaupt am Keynotesaal zu stehen, so.",{"text":1218,"start":6386,"end":6388},{"text":26869,"start":6388,"end":6427},"Als er auf der halben Strecke war, hieß das so, Keynote Arena ist voll.",102,{"sentences":26872,"speaker":234,"num_words":26883,"start":6427,"end":6643},[26873,26875,26877,26879,26881],{"text":26874,"start":6427,"end":6457},"Übrigens Keynote Arena 12000 Leute, also ist auch nicht klein, ja.",{"text":26876,"start":6460,"end":6466},"Die ist voll.",{"text":26878,"start":6466,"end":6519},"Wir leiten jetzt diese ganze Menschenmasse rum in son Overflow Room, wo wir quasi streamen können und zugucken können.",{"text":26880,"start":6521,"end":6570},"Dann war ich ungefähr 'n Drittel davor, dann war der auch voll, dann wurde dieser Menschenstrom halt wieder umgelenkt.",{"text":26882,"start":6573,"end":6643},"Und also bis ich ganz vorne war, war es der vierte Overflow Room, so, und wir haben schon die ersten 15 Minuten vom Stream irgendwie verpasst, so.",79,{"sentences":26885,"speaker":234,"num_words":26894,"start":6646,"end":6904},[26886,26888,26890,26892,26893],{"text":26887,"start":6646,"end":6714},"Und da denke ich mir halt, also sie wissen, wie viel Tickets sie verkaufen, sie wissen, wie viele Leute kommen, sie wissen, welche Räume sie haben.",{"text":26889,"start":6714,"end":6796},"Es wär ja 'n einfaches gewesen zu sagen, okay, während der Keynote ist einfach jeder Raum 'n Overflow Room und Du kannst hingehen, wo Du willst 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haben ihre Mitarbeiter 'n bisschen da hingeschickt, weil sie dachten so, okay, das ist jetzt, keine Ahnung, für die ist ja irgendwie die ARD Weiterbildung, die wir brauchen irgendwie oder die",{"sentences":26925,"speaker":234,"num_words":26388,"start":7360,"end":7403},[26926,26928],{"text":26927,"start":7360,"end":7371},"Ja, auf jeden Fall.",{"text":26929,"start":7371,"end":7403},"Und es gab ja auch genau für diese Zielgruppe eigentlich die richtigen Sessions.",{"sentences":26931,"speaker":103,"num_words":26505,"start":7406,"end":7412},[26932],{"text":26933,"start":7406,"end":7412},"Na ja, okay.",{"sentences":26935,"speaker":124,"num_words":26655,"start":7415,"end":7466},[26936,26938,26940],{"text":26937,"start":7415,"end":7439},"Das heißt aber auch, die war die letzten Jahre nicht ausverkauft?",{"text":26939,"start":7442,"end":7449},"Doch, doch.",{"text":26941,"start":7449,"end":7466},"Ich würde behaupten, die haben 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Du?",{"sentences":26960,"speaker":234,"num_words":26963,"start":7644,"end":7674},[26961],{"text":26962,"start":7644,"end":7674},"So jeden Tag 1, 2, vielleicht über 3 Tage, vielleicht eine Handvoll dann,",13,{"sentences":26965,"speaker":124,"num_words":103,"start":7677,"end":7678},[26966],{"text":7680,"start":7677,"end":7678},{"sentences":26968,"speaker":103,"num_words":26505,"start":7678,"end":7688},[26969],{"text":26970,"start":7678,"end":7688},"3 Tage waren's?",{"sentences":26972,"speaker":234,"num_words":26371,"start":7692,"end":7721},[26973,26974],{"text":355,"start":7692,"end":7693},{"text":26975,"start":7693,"end":7721},"Also vielleicht 5 oder 6, wo ich sagen will, die",{"sentences":26977,"speaker":103,"num_words":26963,"start":7723,"end":7763},[26978,26980,26982],{"text":26979,"start":7723,"end":7735},"Das finde ich erstaunlich viel.",{"text":26981,"start":7739,"end":7749},"Für 'n Vortrag.",{"text":26983,"start":7753,"end":7763},"Also ich find oft so",{"sentences":26985,"speaker":234,"num_words":26683,"start":7765,"end":7864},[26986,26988,26989,26991],{"text":26987,"start":7765,"end":7825},"Weil dafür, dass, also wenn Du jetzt meinen Kalender angucken würdest, ich war halt schon jeden Tag auf, weiß ich nicht, 6, 8 Vorträgen.",{"text":355,"start":7829,"end":7830},{"text":26990,"start":7834,"end":7850},"Anteilmäßig ist es dann schon wieder Ja.",{"text":26992,"start":7852,"end":7864},"Nicht so viel, aber ja.",{"sentences":26994,"speaker":103,"num_words":27001,"start":7864,"end":7965},[26995,26997,26999],{"text":26996,"start":7864,"end":7909},"Ja, das stimmt, aber trotzdem, also 10 von 10 Vortrag ist auf Konferenzen finde ich selten, ja.",{"text":26998,"start":7911,"end":7925},"Also das finde ich schon mal cool.",{"text":27000,"start":7925,"end":7965},"Hast Du da son Beispielvortrag, den Du, wo Du mal Bock hast, bisschen reinzugehen?",38,{"sentences":27003,"speaker":234,"num_words":27008,"start":7968,"end":8330},[27004,27006],{"text":27005,"start":7968,"end":8083},"Ich hab 'n sehr coolen Talk mit 'nem Panel gesehen und 1 der Panel Teilnehmer war der, oh Gott, jetzt muss ich überlegen, Chief m l Mensch von Factory AI, die ja so für Roboter und AI Zeuge machen.",{"text":27007,"start":8086,"end":8330},"Und der hat was ganz Interessantes gesagt, wir haben da auch in der Premiere vor letztes oder vorletztes Jahr darüber gesprochen so, er hat das so Model Overhang bezahlt, also der Vorsprung, den die Models grade haben, ja, wenn ne dieser dieser berühmte Spruch, wenn wir heute aufhören würden neue Modelle zu entwickeln, könnten wir noch Jahre neue Produkte bauen, weil die Modelle eigentlich so viel besser sind, dass wir sie jetzt grade noch gar nicht ausreizen und eigentlich die Modellentwicklung viel schneller ist, als wir mit der",127,{"sentences":27010,"speaker":124,"num_words":26430,"start":8330,"end":8354},[27011,27013],{"text":27012,"start":8330,"end":8339},"Produktentwicklung hinterherkommen.",{"text":27014,"start":8343,"end":8354},"Son Zitat von mir.",{"sentences":27016,"speaker":234,"num_words":26605,"start":8357,"end":8399},[27017,27018,27020],{"text":8361,"start":8357,"end":8358},{"text":27019,"start":8363,"end":8385},"Was hast Du das auf der Cloud Next gesagt, Mensch?",{"text":27021,"start":8389,"end":8399},"Das ist ganz schön.",{"sentences":27023,"speaker":124,"num_words":26634,"start":8403,"end":8429},[27024,27026,27027,27028],{"text":27025,"start":8403,"end":8416},"Das erzähle ich das immer.",{"text":8421,"start":8416,"end":8420},{"text":8361,"start":8420,"end":8423},{"text":27029,"start":8423,"end":8429},"Ja, genau.",{"sentences":27031,"speaker":234,"num_words":234,"start":8429,"end":8435},[27032],{"text":27033,"start":8429,"end":8435},"Ja, nein.",{"sentences":27035,"speaker":124,"num_words":234,"start":8435,"end":8442},[27036],{"text":27037,"start":8435,"end":8442},"Und er",{"sentences":27039,"speaker":234,"num_words":26505,"start":8442,"end":8453},[27040],{"text":27041,"start":8442,"end":8453},"meint Die Idee",{"sentences":27043,"speaker":103,"num_words":26430,"start":8453,"end":8469},[27044],{"text":27045,"start":8453,"end":8469},"hat halt Google, von der das",{"sentences":27047,"speaker":234,"num_words":26910,"start":8471,"end":8718},[27048,27050,27052,27053,27055],{"text":27049,"start":8471,"end":8480},"Ja, ich glaub auch.",{"text":27051,"start":8482,"end":8517},"Das deswegen geht's auch immer mit diesem Developer Stammtisch von denen da so.",{"text":27029,"start":8517,"end":8523},{"text":27054,"start":8525,"end":8647},"Und was er halt gesagt hat, so, die diese dieser Gap ist halt zum ersten Mal, dass sie sehen, dass er halt schrumpft und für sie ist jetzt halt absehbar, dass sie oder ist der Zeitpunkt absehbar sehr konkret, dass die Produktentwicklung tatsächlich die Models einholt Ah.",{"text":27056,"start":8649,"end":8718},"Und sich dann dieses Spiel halt umdrehen könnte, dass sie dann tatsächlich anfangen müssen zu warten auf wann kommt 'n neues Modell und was bringt was anderes.",{"sentences":27058,"speaker":124,"num_words":26480,"start":8722,"end":8733},[27059],{"text":27060,"start":8722,"end":8733},"Das weil die da",{"sentences":27062,"speaker":103,"num_words":26480,"start":8733,"end":8748},[27063],{"text":27064,"start":8733,"end":8748},"ja Germani benutzt haben.",{"sentences":27066,"speaker":234,"num_words":27070,"start":8748,"end":8875},[27067,27068],{"text":8753,"start":8748,"end":8751},{"text":27069,"start":8755,"end":8875},"Wenn nicht noch mal son Model Step Change kommt wie Mo e oder halt irgend 'n architektisches, der jetzt wirklich noch mal so 'n Faktor irgendwie draufsetzt, aber wenn es jetzt wirklich nur so interpoliert, das was die letzten paar Jahre passiert ist,",44,{"sentences":27072,"speaker":103,"num_words":103,"start":8878,"end":8879},[27073],{"text":2343,"start":8878,"end":8879},{"sentences":27075,"speaker":234,"num_words":27082,"start":8882,"end":9274},[27076,27078,27080],{"text":27077,"start":8882,"end":8924},"Dann sagt er, okay, jetzt haben wir's tatsächlich doch mal geschafft, das irgendwie auszureizen, ja.",{"text":27079,"start":8924,"end":9074},"Und deshalb meinte ich so, das sind ja die Insights, weshalb ich zumindest irgendwie dahinfahr und mir hoffe so, wow, mehr mit Leuten zu sprechen oder denen zuzuhören, die halt wirklich so da ganz vorne mit dabei sind und ich glaube, Google hätte da viel mehr von irgendwie noch im Gepäck haben können, von so Leuten und von so Talks.",{"text":27081,"start":9074,"end":9274},"Vielleicht hab ich's ja auch nicht alle gefunden, bestimmt bei über 1000 Sessions so, ja, aber das ist für mich so der relevante Teil und jetzt nicht unbedingt, dahin zu gehen und so, hey, wir zeigen dir mal, wie man mit Google AI Studio so prototypmäßig schnell was zusammenbaut oder so, ja, also nicht dieser dieser Hands on Teil, sondern wirklich da so mit mal son paar Nasen aus der Industrie da irgendwie mal quatschen zu können.",152,{"sentences":27084,"speaker":124,"num_words":27089,"start":9276,"end":9522},[27085,27087],{"text":27086,"start":9276,"end":9402},"Rein historisch würde ich irgendwie denken, wenn man bei Google Cloud ist, das ist ja eher irgendwie Backend und Serversachen und so, weil ne, ist das auch was, was 'n bisschen durch AI geschiftet ist oder sind das noch so die gleichen klassischen Rollen, die jetzt dort sind?",{"text":27088,"start":9406,"end":9522},"Also ich mein, ja, insgesamt hat sich sowieso alles 'n bisschen Richtung Vollzeit und so weiterentwickelt, aber tendenziell, also Google Cloud ist ja schon irgendwo, wo man erst mal sagt, das ist jetzt keine allgemeine Entwickler*innenkonferenz, sondern irgendwie erst mal einen einen Teilbereich.",91,{"sentences":27091,"speaker":234,"num_words":27089,"start":9526,"end":9775},[27092,27094,27096,27098],{"text":27093,"start":9526,"end":9585},"Ja, also Du findest natürlich krass, viel mehr Content zu Themen wie Backend, Datenbanken, Infrastruktur, Server Architektur, bla bla bla.",{"text":27095,"start":9585,"end":9612},"Und jetzt viel weniger zu UI, UX, ne.",{"text":27097,"start":9612,"end":9704},"Es gibt auch immer son paar Sachen, die mit Flatter und AI Studio, Prototyping und bla, aber das sind, weiß nicht, vielleicht so 10 Prozent, also es ist schon sehr infrastruktur- und backend lastig noch.",{"text":27099,"start":9704,"end":9775},"Aber auch da, wie gesagt, bei jedem Talk mit, hey, wie kann hier mein Agent oder dein Agent oder irgendein Agent halt mithelfen und mitspielen jetzt so ungefähr.",{"sentences":27101,"speaker":103,"num_words":26692,"start":9778,"end":9892},[27102,27104,27106,27108],{"text":27103,"start":9778,"end":9814},"Hast Du irgendwas gehört oder gelernt, was jetzt dein deine Arbeit ändern wird?",{"text":27105,"start":9818,"end":9843},"Also glaubst Du, Du wirst irgendwas anders bauen, machen als vorher?",{"text":27107,"start":9843,"end":9862},"Wirst Du irgendwas anderes nutzen als vorher?",{"text":27109,"start":9864,"end":9892},"Hat es außer Mindset irgendwas Praktisches bei dir geändert?",{"sentences":27111,"speaker":234,"num_words":234,"start":9895,"end":9902},[27112],{"text":27113,"start":9895,"end":9902},"Nichts Revolutionäres.",{"sentences":27115,"speaker":124,"num_words":234,"start":9906,"end":9910},[27116],{"text":27117,"start":9906,"end":9910},"Also ich",{"sentences":27119,"speaker":234,"num_words":26430,"start":9910,"end":9927},[27120],{"text":27121,"start":9910,"end":9927},"hab mir son paar Tools 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1, 2 Sachen irgendwie noch mal im Detail anschauen, aber das ist jetzt auch nichts, was das irgendwie revolutionär anders macht für mich, ja.",{"text":27138,"start":10227,"end":10276},"Es war eher so, dass son paar Talks mir noch mal zu denken gegeben haben, wie das perspektivisch vielleicht weitergehen kann.",{"text":27140,"start":10278,"end":10383},"Ich hab 'n coolen Talk gesehen, wo der Dingsbums President Product Mensch von Raptit gesessen hat und son bisschen darüber philosophiert hat, wie sich AI und Pricing halt in den nächsten paar Monaten und Jahren verändern wird, ja.",{"text":27142,"start":10386,"end":10594},"Und der hat was superinteressantes gesagt, zum einen hat er auch gesagt, es ist halt absehbar, dass der ganze Spaß teurer wird, weil wir halt sehr lange in 'ner sehr subventionierten Welt gelebt haben und jeder einfach nur Marktanteil haben wollte, Marktanteil Marktanteil und dementsprechend ist AI eigentlich aktuell in der Verbindung zu günstig und wir sehen das gerade schon in der Diskussion bei Chat Brains, bei GitHub, bei OpenAI, nenn ich bei OpenAI bei Intropic, die überlegen, Cloud",232,{"sentences":27145,"speaker":124,"num_words":103,"start":10594,"end":10597},[27146],{"text":10598,"start":10594,"end":10597},{"sentences":27148,"speaker":234,"num_words":27157,"start":10597,"end":10833},[27149,27151,27153,27154,27156],{"text":27150,"start":10597,"end":10625},"in irgendwie 'n teureren Plan zu heben und so was.",{"text":27152,"start":10625,"end":10715},"Also ich glaube, da da wird noch 'n bisschen was passieren, aber das Fundamentale, was er gesagt hat, ist eigentlich, dass sie grade versuchen oder überlegen, wie sie von diesem tokenbasierten Pricing wegkommen können.",{"text":1218,"start":10715,"end":10717},{"text":27155,"start":10719,"end":10828},"So, weil Tokens halt für Endanwender und jetzt muss man natürlich überlegen, für Replith sind Endanwender noch mal weniger technische Leute als jetzt wir hier in in der Core Audience sind, aber sagt halt, Tokens verlieren immer mehr an Nachvollziehbarkeit.",{"text":10834,"start":10832,"end":10833},86,{"sentences":27159,"speaker":234,"num_words":27170,"start":10836,"end":11330},[27160,27162,27164,27166,27168],{"text":27161,"start":10836,"end":10993},"Zum einen, weil Du sowieso, wenn Du jetzt zu 'nem zu 'nem Agent gesagt, hey, bauen wir mal irgendwie dieses Feature, hast Du überhaupt gar keinen Plan davon, wie viel Tokens das irgendwie verwendet so und durch so neuere Features wie Dynamic Thinking und so was ja noch mal unvorhersehbar geworden ist, wie viele Tokens diese Modelle überhaupt aufwenden, intern so, ja?",{"text":27163,"start":10993,"end":11165},"Die Du gar nicht siehst im im Gesprächsverlauf und er prognostiziert, prophezeit, überlegt, wie auch immer, dass wir eigentlich hinkommen müssen zu sonem festpreisbasierten Modell, ja, wo halt Replit zum Beispiel ja dann hingehen würde und sagt, Du willst, dass wir dir eine App bauen, diese App kostet dich, hat keine Zahlen genannt, aber ich sag jetzt einfach mal 500 Dollar so.",{"text":27165,"start":11168,"end":11249},"Du sagst uns, was Du willst, wir weiben das für dich so quasi dann zusammen und dann kriegst Du das und Du musst dich nicht damit beschäftigen, wie viel Tokens das eigentlich braucht, ja.",{"text":27167,"start":11249,"end":11287},"Und dann ist das son bisschen nachvollziehbarer für alle Seiten, wie das eigentlich funktionieren könnte.",{"text":27169,"start":11287,"end":11330},"Er hat ehrlicherweise dann so direkt hinterhergeschoben, die LLMs sind halt noch nicht weit genug dafür.",189,{"sentences":27172,"speaker":234,"num_words":27070,"start":11330,"end":11449},[27173],{"text":27174,"start":11330,"end":11449},"Also was im Klartext ja heißt, LLMs arbeiten noch nicht sauber genug, als das Raplit in dieses Risiko reingehen will, ja, und deshalb müssen sie sich jetzt grade noch an den Kunden auslagern, aber das ist son bisschen, wo die wo die Reise hingeht.",{"sentences":27176,"speaker":103,"num_words":27179,"start":11453,"end":11517},[27177],{"text":27178,"start":11453,"end":11517},"Aber das sehe ich halt aber auch eigentlich nur für sone Software oder eine App wie, also das kannst Du ja nicht mal, aber jetzt bei dir.",27,{"sentences":27181,"speaker":234,"num_words":27192,"start":11517,"end":11789},[27182,27184,27186,27188,27190],{"text":27183,"start":11517,"end":11565},"Na ja, aber auch ein GitHub kann ja sagen, Du willst deinen Branch AI Code reviewt haben.",{"text":27185,"start":11565,"end":11613},"Das machen wir nicht mehr tokenbasiert, sondern jede AI Branch Code Review kostet dich derzeit 2 Dollar 50.",{"text":27187,"start":11617,"end":11671},"So, egal wie viel Aufwand da drin ist, egal bla und der AI Anbieter geht quasi in die Mischkalkulation rein, ne.",{"text":27189,"start":11673,"end":11696},"Und das glaube ich schon, dass ich das durchsetzen kann.",{"text":27191,"start":11696,"end":11789},"Das ich glaub tatsächlich, dass es in so Sachen einfacher ist, als jetzt auf der der AppLight Ebene, die dann auf einmal schätzen müssen, was fürn ganzes Feature oder sone App oder keine Ahnung, was es kostet.",103,{"sentences":27194,"speaker":234,"num_words":27204,"start":11792,"end":12033},[27195,27197,27199,27201,27202],{"text":27196,"start":11792,"end":11950},"Aber bei so kleinen Sachen, Du willst, dass ich da einen Text Review, Du willst 'n 'n Pull request haben, Du willst 'n, ich mein, bei Bildergenerierung ist es ja im Prinzip auch schon so, ne, da beschäftigst Du dich auch nicht mit, wie viel Tokens das eigentlich sind, sondern das wird auch öfter mal nach Arbeit schon abgerechnet, ja.",{"text":27198,"start":11952,"end":11972},"Kann schon verstehen, wie man da hinkommen will.",{"text":27200,"start":11975,"end":12021},"Aber also zurück auf die Frage zu kommen, das sind eigentlich so die Sessions, die ich halt interessant auf alle.",{"text":355,"start":12021,"end":12025},{"text":27203,"start":12027,"end":12033},"So son bisschen",92,{"sentences":27206,"speaker":103,"num_words":27214,"start":12036,"end":12139},[27207,27209,27210,27212],{"text":27208,"start":12036,"end":12064},"Zukunftsgedanken, wo geht dir wo geht die Reise hin, meinst Du?",{"text":355,"start":12066,"end":12067},{"text":27211,"start":12071,"end":12108},"Und weil Du's grad schon erwähnt hast, wie viel warst Du auf dem Messestand unterwegs?",{"text":27213,"start":12108,"end":12139},"Also hast Du dich so viel mit Leuten unterhalten, dir Sachen angeguckt?",39,{"sentences":27216,"speaker":234,"num_words":27221,"start":12143,"end":12200},[27217,27219],{"text":27218,"start":12143,"end":12181},"Ehrlicherweise dieses Jahr weniger als in den letzten Jahren, aber weil ich halt auch alleine war.",{"text":27220,"start":12181,"end":12200},"Also letztes Jahr waren wir ja zu dritt",24,{"sentences":27223,"speaker":103,"num_words":26480,"start":12200,"end":12209},[27224],{"text":27225,"start":12200,"end":12209},"und wir haben uns",{"sentences":27227,"speaker":234,"num_words":26583,"start":12209,"end":12358},[27228,27230,27231,27233,27234],{"text":27229,"start":12209,"end":12229},"son bisschen aufteilen können, wer geht irgendwie wohin.",{"text":355,"start":12229,"end":12232},{"text":27232,"start":12235,"end":12314},"Und wenn man halt alleine ist, dann muss man schon son paar von den Sessions ja auch mitnehmen und dann bleibt halt irgendwie 'n bisschen weniger Zeit für Expo und Messer und so.",{"text":355,"start":12314,"end":12316},{"text":27235,"start":12316,"end":12358},"Ich hab dann schon versucht son bisschen was mitzunehmen, aber ich hab definitiv weniger gemacht als letztes Jahr.",{"sentences":27237,"speaker":234,"num_words":234,"start":12358,"end":12364},[27238],{"text":27239,"start":12358,"end":12364},"Ja, okay.",{"sentences":27241,"speaker":124,"num_words":27001,"start":12367,"end":12463},[27242],{"text":27243,"start":12367,"end":12463},"Und das ist dann praktisch, fühlt sich das an wie ein erweitertes Angebot der Konferenz oder ist es schon ähnlich zu einem Sponsorship und die wollen dann was, also Sponsoren, die da sind, die wollen einfach was verkaufen.",{"sentences":27245,"speaker":234,"num_words":27255,"start":12463,"end":12599},[27246,27248,27249,27251,27253],{"text":27247,"start":12463,"end":12474},"Die Messe meinst Du?",{"text":355,"start":12474,"end":12477},{"text":27250,"start":12480,"end":12531},"Boah, super unterschiedlich Und ich glaub, da kommt's auch ganz drauf an, wie man mit den Leuten irgendwie ins Gespräch kommt.",{"text":27252,"start":12531,"end":12567},"Es gibt da Stände, die wollen dir einfach nur irgendwie was verkaufen so, ja.",{"text":27254,"start":12570,"end":12599},"Wenn Du jetzt bei, oh Gott, jetzt darf ich nichts Falsches sagen.",52,{"sentences":27257,"speaker":234,"num_words":27268,"start":12603,"end":12803},[27258,27260,27262,27264,27266],{"text":27259,"start":12603,"end":12615},"Aber Great Braines.",{"text":27261,"start":12619,"end":12711},"Das war für mich noch 'n positiver Beispiel, aber weil ich da halt schon selber mit genug Vorwissen reinkommen bin, halt sehr konkrete Fragen zu stellen und lass mal hier irgendwie 'n bisschen Deep Talk machen, ja.",{"text":27263,"start":12714,"end":12773},"Ich war zum Beispiel bei Langchain am Stand und das war direkt sehr schnell sehr irgendwie, obwohl ich auch nur technische Fragen hatte.",{"text":27265,"start":12776,"end":12784},"Son bisschen schwierig.",{"text":27267,"start":12784,"end":12803},"Ich glaube, man kann das nicht pauschalisieren.",73,{"sentences":27270,"speaker":234,"num_words":27278,"start":12806,"end":13214},[27271,27273,27274,27276],{"text":27272,"start":12806,"end":12870},"Wenn man selber nicht aufpasst und einfach nur an son Stand geht und eine komische Frage stellt, dann wird das, glaube ich, immer sehr schnell sehr selsea.",{"text":1218,"start":12874,"end":12875},{"text":27275,"start":12877,"end":13186},"Und dann halt zu gucken, okay, wie kriege ich das halt irgendwie technisch hin und ich hab ja auch den Vorteil, dass ich immer sagen kann, so, ich komm nur vom Podcast, ich kaufe ja eigentlich nichts, so, ja, weil die Programmierbar per se nicht der Kunde ist für Langetrain, nicht für Nvidia, nicht für SAP, für keine Ahnung, wenn das so alles da war, ja, sondern wir wirklich ja nur am am Content sozusagen interessierte, ist das immer noch mal son einfacher Weg raus und wenn man dann den Leuten auch noch sagt, dass man nur 'n deutschsprachigen Podcast hast, dann wollen sie dir nicht mal mehr noch 'n Gast andrehen in den meisten Fällen, weil's ja viel englischsprachig dann so ist, ja.",{"text":27277,"start":13186,"end":13214},"Und dann kann man ganz normal mit denen reden, aber, ja.",163,{"sentences":27280,"speaker":103,"num_words":27283,"start":13217,"end":13286},[27281],{"text":27282,"start":13217,"end":13286},"Kriegst Du das Angebot häufig, wenn Du sagst, Du machst 'n Podcast, dass sie so sagen so, oh ja, wir haben da jemanden, mit dem könntest Du mal quatschen?",29,{"sentences":27285,"speaker":234,"num_words":26605,"start":13290,"end":13336},[27286,27288,27289,27291],{"text":27287,"start":13290,"end":13316},"Also auf Sohn auf einen Trailer auf jeden Fall.",{"text":13321,"start":13316,"end":13319},{"text":27290,"start":13323,"end":13333},"Ist ja ziemlich gut.",{"text":13338,"start":13335,"end":13336},{"sentences":27293,"speaker":103,"num_words":27302,"start":13340,"end":13517},[27294,27296,27298,27300],{"text":27295,"start":13340,"end":13390},"Ja, ich fand's irgendwie auch so, also da waren ja dann auch so Stände von Google irgendwie zu verschiedenen Cloud Sachen.",{"text":27297,"start":13390,"end":13404},"Das find ich echt ganz cool.",{"text":27299,"start":13404,"end":13491},"Du hast halt das Gefühl, okay, da steht jetzt 'n Experte, wenn Du Fragen hast, kannst den halt auch fragen, aber grad son Stand wurden an irgend eine Software, die ich nicht kenne.",{"text":27301,"start":13494,"end":13517},"Ich mir auch so, ja, ist ganz nett irgendwie, aber",70,{"sentences":27304,"speaker":124,"num_words":27309,"start":13519,"end":13634},[27305,27307],{"text":27306,"start":13519,"end":13589},"Kann man's nicht viel Prozent der jährlichen Arbeitszeit von Google Mitarbeitern auf so Sachen draufgehen ist jetzt 'n bisschen negativ formuliert, investiert werden.",{"text":27308,"start":13592,"end":13634},"Also, weil ich glaube schon, dass es 'n, dass es was sehr besonderes ist, dass sie auch immer",41,{"sentences":27311,"speaker":103,"num_words":26505,"start":13636,"end":13643},[27312],{"text":27313,"start":13636,"end":13643},"so an die",{"sentences":27315,"speaker":124,"num_words":26505,"start":13643,"end":13650},[27316],{"text":27317,"start":13643,"end":13650},"Leute gehen und",{"sentences":27319,"speaker":103,"num_words":26423,"start":13650,"end":13660},[27320],{"text":27321,"start":13650,"end":13660},"Du weißt nicht halt die",{"sentences":27323,"speaker":124,"num_words":27333,"start":13660,"end":13965},[27324,27326,27328,27330,27332],{"text":27325,"start":13660,"end":13692},"0 auf 15 Leute hast, sondern halt die Entwickler*innen von den Tools so.",{"text":27327,"start":13692,"end":13776},"Also das heißt, die sind schon sind schon sehr nah dran, aber ähnlich auch mit dem, nee, Du hast nicht Kaffeekranz gesagt, was hast Du eben gesagt, zu meinem Google Treffen?",{"text":27329,"start":13779,"end":13785},"Stammtisch, Stammtisch.",{"text":27331,"start":13788,"end":13961},"So, ne, wo ja auch relativ hochrangige Produktmanager sich irgendwie 'n Tag Zeit nehmen, irgendwelchen Hanseln zuzuhören, was für Ideen haben, was ja schon irgendwie in der Kultur einfach so dann etabliert ist, aber da würde mich interessieren, so wie, das ist ja nicht jeder einzige Konferenz, ist jetzt vielleicht mit die größte, oder was heißt mit die Größe, die größte von Google Gehostete, aber, na.",{"text":355,"start":13964,"end":13965},113,{"sentences":27335,"speaker":234,"num_words":165,"start":13965,"end":13995},[27336],{"text":27337,"start":13965,"end":13995},"Oh, ich glaub schon, dass die da Monate rein investieren.",{"sentences":27339,"speaker":103,"num_words":26480,"start":13998,"end":14013},[27340],{"text":27341,"start":13998,"end":14013},"Ja, 4, vielleicht war.",{"sentences":27343,"speaker":124,"num_words":27352,"start":14015,"end":14246},[27344,27346,27348,27350],{"text":27345,"start":14015,"end":14036},"Ja, aber ich mein jetzt so der einzelne Engineer.",{"text":27347,"start":14036,"end":14144},"Also weißt Du, jemand, der halt wirklich in, was weiß ich, nimm Beispiel in Firebase an irgendeiner AI Integration arbeitet und dann da danach dann auf dem Stand steht, weil das sind ja schon die Leute auch viel, die es entwickeln.",{"text":27349,"start":14144,"end":14156},"Also ich glaube irgendwie, Ja.",{"text":27351,"start":14158,"end":14246},"Kannst da, Du kannst bei Google nicht 'n herausragender oder es ist schwierig, ein herausragender Softwareentwickler oder eine Entwicklerin zu sein und nicht eingeteilt zu werden, auf 1 dieser Konferenzen am Stand zu stehen.",89,{"sentences":27354,"speaker":234,"num_words":26707,"start":14246,"end":14371},[27355,27357],{"text":27356,"start":14246,"end":14365},"Ja, aber ich glaub, die haben dann auch schon 4 Unterstützung von dem Developer Relations Team, was ihnen halt hilft, irgendwie 'n Prototyp, eine Demo, 'n Proof of Concept zu bauen, der halt irgendwie catchy ist, der das Essenzielle schnell vermittelt und bleibt.",{"text":27358,"start":14365,"end":14371},"Ja, ja,",{"sentences":27360,"speaker":124,"num_words":27363,"start":14371,"end":14411},[27361],{"text":27362,"start":14371,"end":14411},"klar, die die organisieren den Stand nicht so, ne, aber die werden trotzdem einfach eingeteilt eingestellt.",16,{"sentences":27365,"speaker":103,"num_words":26388,"start":14415,"end":14462},[27366],{"text":27367,"start":14415,"end":14462},"Tja, aber ist das so zwang denkst Du, ist das nicht so, Herr Wert Bock für macht's?",{"sentences":27369,"speaker":234,"num_words":26423,"start":14465,"end":14476},[27370],{"text":27371,"start":14465,"end":14476},"Nee, ich glaub bei Ich",{"sentences":27373,"speaker":124,"num_words":26430,"start":14476,"end":14492},[27374],{"text":27375,"start":14476,"end":14492},"glaub schon, dass das Teil der",{"sentences":27377,"speaker":234,"num_words":234,"start":14492,"end":14501},[27378,27379],{"text":14498,"start":14492,"end":14495},{"text":4776,"start":14500,"end":14501},{"sentences":27381,"speaker":124,"num_words":26605,"start":14501,"end":14547},[27382,27383,27384,27385],{"text":14507,"start":14501,"end":14504},{"text":355,"start":14504,"end":14509},{"text":14515,"start":14512,"end":14513},{"text":27386,"start":14517,"end":14547},"Und also ich mein, viele machen's natürlich auch gerne, weil's halt einfach",{"sentences":27388,"speaker":103,"num_words":26423,"start":14549,"end":14562},[27389],{"text":27390,"start":14549,"end":14562},"Würd jetzt auch tun, man.",{"sentences":27392,"speaker":124,"num_words":26841,"start":14562,"end":14658},[27393,27395,27397],{"text":27394,"start":14562,"end":14584},"Genau, also gehört einfach dazu, so.",{"text":27396,"start":14586,"end":14652},"Aber ist ja schon speziell, würde es jetzt hier bei deutschen Unternehmen oder so was, die würden halt dir HR Team da hinstellen oder keine Ahnung.",{"text":27398,"start":14652,"end":14658},"So, ne.",{"sentences":27400,"speaker":103,"num_words":26841,"start":14660,"end":14747},[27401],{"text":27402,"start":14660,"end":14747},"Aber genau, das wissen, finde ich eigentlich schade, so, ne, weil wie Du schon sagst, Du kommst dann zum Stand, hast technische Fragen und kriegst ja trotzdem den Sales Talk, weil steht halt Gut,",{"sentences":27404,"speaker":234,"num_words":27363,"start":14747,"end":14787},[27405],{"text":27406,"start":14747,"end":14787},"das war jetzt mehr von den Ausstellern und die bezahlen ja auch, da zu sein, ne?",{"sentences":27408,"speaker":124,"num_words":234,"start":14787,"end":14793},[27409],{"text":27410,"start":14787,"end":14793},"Weil bei",{"sentences":27412,"speaker":234,"num_words":26395,"start":14793,"end":14810},[27413],{"text":27414,"start":14793,"end":14810},"Google ist das noch mal 'n bisschen",{"sentences":27416,"speaker":103,"num_words":27423,"start":14812,"end":14943},[27417,27419,27421],{"text":27418,"start":14812,"end":14917},"Aber trotzdem, also das ist, ich find's halt eigentlich 'n Fehler, ne, weil wenn Du Aussteller bist und auf eine Konferenz gehst, wo technische Leute sind, dann hab bitte auch jemanden da stehen, der technische Fragen beantworten kann und nicht nur 'n Sales Talk macht.",{"text":27420,"start":14919,"end":14929},"Sind eigentlich schon wichtig.",{"text":27422,"start":14933,"end":14943},"Also ist schon sinnig eigentlich.",54,{"sentences":27425,"speaker":124,"num_words":26568,"start":14946,"end":15003},[27426,27427,27429,27430],{"text":355,"start":14946,"end":14947},{"text":27428,"start":14951,"end":14957},"Apropos Sales.",{"text":8361,"start":14961,"end":14962},{"text":27431,"start":14962,"end":15003},"Ist ja bestimmt kostenlos die Veranstaltung, weil Google viel Werbung machen kann für seine eigenen Produkte.",{"sentences":27433,"speaker":234,"num_words":26605,"start":15006,"end":15041},[27434],{"text":27435,"start":15006,"end":15041},"Ich wart ihr nicht mal, als das noch in San Francisco war auf der Cloudnext?",{"sentences":27437,"speaker":124,"num_words":26605,"start":15045,"end":15086},[27438],{"text":27439,"start":15045,"end":15086},"Mit ihr meinst Du vielleicht 2 Lotungen Mitarbeiter, das waren Silvia und Fabi, aber Du",{"sentences":27441,"speaker":234,"num_words":26480,"start":15086,"end":15096},[27442],{"text":27443,"start":15086,"end":15096},"warst auch nicht dabei.",{"sentences":27445,"speaker":124,"num_words":26430,"start":15100,"end":15113},[27446],{"text":27447,"start":15100,"end":15113},"Ich war noch nie da, nee.",{"sentences":27449,"speaker":234,"num_words":27459,"start":15113,"end":15276},[27450,27451,27453,27455,27457],{"text":2343,"start":15113,"end":15116},{"text":27452,"start":15116,"end":15157},"Weil das das würd mich mal tatsächlich interessieren, ob das früher nennenswert günstiger war oder nicht.",{"text":27454,"start":15159,"end":15184},"Weil jetzt in Vegas, ich mein, das ist ja 'n Riesenkonferenzcenter.",{"text":27456,"start":15188,"end":15234},"Also ich hab, war ja auch schon da, aber ich hab noch nie son großes Indoor Gebäude irgendwie gesehen.",{"text":27458,"start":15234,"end":15276},"Ich war schon in Hannover auf der Messe und keine Ahnung was so, aber das ist abgefahren.",64,{"sentences":27461,"speaker":234,"num_words":27470,"start":15279,"end":15518},[27462,27464,27466,27468,27469],{"text":27463,"start":15279,"end":15375},"Und ich weiß nicht, ob's dann früher quasi günstiger war, aber jetzt kostet das Ticket regulär 2000 Dollar, im Early Bird 1000 Dollar und ich hab 7 800 Euro 800 Dollar 700 Euro bezahlt.",{"text":27465,"start":15379,"end":15384},"Also Schnäppchenjäger.",{"text":27467,"start":15388,"end":15509},"Na ehrlich, aber also das hab ich ja grad auch schon gesagt, ehrlicherweise, ich glaub für eine 3 Tageskonferenz mit vollem Catering und Programm und morgens, abends und so finde ich zumindest den Preis, den ich bezahlt hab, mit den 7, 800 Ja.",{"text":15515,"start":15512,"end":15513},{"text":2343,"start":15517,"end":15518},81,{"sentences":27472,"speaker":234,"num_words":27483,"start":15518,"end":15838},[27473,27475,27477,27479,27481],{"text":27474,"start":15518,"end":15572},"Wenn man dann überlegt, dass in den USA noch alles teurer ist und so, wär wahrscheinlich auch der Tausender noch einigermaßen machbar.",{"text":27476,"start":15572,"end":15622},"Und ich glaub, der Zweitausender Preis, das ist son reines Marketingding, das die Leute halt einfach nicht zu kaufen.",{"text":27478,"start":15625,"end":15652},"Ich glaube nicht, dass sie den brauchen, kostendeckend zu sein.",{"text":27480,"start":15652,"end":15725},"Aber ja, das ist das Ding und dann kommt halt noch dazu, Val Vegas brauchst Du noch Flug und 'n Hotel und vielleicht noch 'n paar Spesen und so.",{"text":27482,"start":15725,"end":15838},"Also ich würde immer denken, dass man, je nachdem wann und wie man bucht und wer weiß, wie das nächstes Jahr mit Spritweisen und alles aussieht, aber so zweieinhalb, 3000 Dollar musst Du wahrscheinlich in die Hand nehmen, da mitmachen zu können.",122,{"sentences":27485,"speaker":234,"num_words":26492,"start":15838,"end":15926},[27486,27488,27490,27491],{"text":27487,"start":15838,"end":15852},"Und das bezahlt leider nicht Google.",{"text":27489,"start":15852,"end":15887},"Ich hab, also ich seit Jahren frag ich nach 'nem Presseticket, so, ja.",{"text":355,"start":15890,"end":15891},{"text":27492,"start":15891,"end":15926},"Seit Jahren wird die programmierbar ignoriert, aber irgendwann irgendwann kommt das noch.",{"sentences":27494,"speaker":103,"num_words":26492,"start":15928,"end":16008},[27495,27497,27499,27500,27501],{"text":27496,"start":15928,"end":15963},"Ja, was ich lustig finde, weil wir ja, ne, im Podcast mit Philipp sind, so.",{"text":27498,"start":15963,"end":15995},"Also irgendwie ist es ja schon sehr nah dran auch an Google oder nicht.",{"text":16001,"start":15998,"end":15999},{"text":16001,"start":16003,"end":16004},{"text":535,"start":16004,"end":16008},{"sentences":27503,"speaker":234,"num_words":27157,"start":16008,"end":16237},[27504,27506,27508,27510,27512],{"text":27505,"start":16008,"end":16022},"musst Du mir nicht erklären.",{"text":27507,"start":16022,"end":16046},"Ich dachte einfach den Kitsch auf irgendwie.",{"text":27509,"start":16050,"end":16107},"Ja, aber tatsächlich, also die Leute, die mir sonst irgendwie ein Ticket hätten besorgen können, wir haben mit gesprochen und ich hab mit gesprochen.",{"text":27511,"start":16111,"end":16156},"Die haben halt auch gesagt, so, es wird halt jedes Jahr gefühlt eher schwerer als leichter, Leute dahin einzuladen.",{"text":27513,"start":16159,"end":16237},"Und ich vermute mal, das hat damit zu tun, dass sie halt schon versuchen, möglichst viel der Kapazität halt auch für möglichst viele Gäste, also in Anführungszeichen, richtige Teilnehmer quasi freizuhalten",{"sentences":27515,"speaker":103,"num_words":26605,"start":16239,"end":16278},[27516,27518],{"text":27517,"start":16239,"end":16270},"und nicht Und nicht zahlende Teilnehmer oder was meinst Du mit der Regel?",{"text":27519,"start":16270,"end":16278},"Ja, ja.",{"sentences":27521,"speaker":234,"num_words":26395,"start":16281,"end":16298},[27522],{"text":27523,"start":16281,"end":16298},"Und nicht halt Presse in Anführungszeichen, ne?",{"sentences":27525,"speaker":124,"num_words":27534,"start":16301,"end":16586},[27526,27528,27530,27532],{"text":27527,"start":16301,"end":16317},"Ja, Presse könnt ihr jetzt noch verstehen.",{"text":27529,"start":16317,"end":16407},"Aber ich mein grundsätzlich, das ist ja auch erst auf Google Veranstaltungen der letzten Monate und Jahre schon auch deutlich gewesen, dass das Budget dort bei Google auch nicht mehr so unbegrenzt ist, wie es mal war.",{"text":27531,"start":16407,"end":16570},"Na, also ich glaube schon, dass sie auch einfach anfangen, 'n bisschen sparsamer zu sein, was solche Sachen angeht und ich glaube, das ist auch ein Teil, warum man vielleicht dann nicht so einfach als Partner Ich mein, wir sind die Zahlen öffentlich, ich weiß ich gar nicht, aber ich mein, wir zahlen ja auch einen hohen sechsstelligen Betrag im Jahr dort, ne.",{"text":27533,"start":16570,"end":16586},"Also auch das alleine könnte er schon",114,{"sentences":27536,"speaker":234,"num_words":26553,"start":16586,"end":16646},[27537],{"text":27538,"start":16586,"end":16646},"irgendwo Ja, Du hast Loto 'n Tick Ticket kriegen können, einfach nur weil sie 'n guter Kunde sind, das Da sind",{"sentences":27540,"speaker":124,"num_words":165,"start":16646,"end":16676},[27541,27543],{"text":27542,"start":16646,"end":16669},"ja jetzt auch immer eine Platte, ne.",{"text":27544,"start":16669,"end":16676},"Dann auch egal.",{"sentences":27546,"speaker":103,"num_words":26423,"start":16678,"end":16691},[27547],{"text":27548,"start":16678,"end":16691},"Könnte man auch mal anfragen.",{"sentences":27550,"speaker":234,"num_words":27560,"start":16694,"end":16872},[27551,27553,27555,27557,27559],{"text":27552,"start":16694,"end":16704},"Das ist sicherlich richtig.",{"text":27554,"start":16704,"end":16792},"Aber ich, also diesen Trend, den Du beschreibst mit diese großen Konferenzen werden son bisschen, also zurückgefahren ist, glaube ich, auch schon zu viel gesagt, weil da passiert ja immer noch unglaublich viel, ja.",{"text":27556,"start":16792,"end":16832},"Und allein das Abendprogramm passiert da irgendwie Aufwand, kostet bestimmt auch Hunderttausende Dollar.",{"text":27558,"start":16835,"end":16869},"Aber sagst Du, das Geld sitzt halt gefühlt einfach nicht mehr so locker als früher.",{"text":1218,"start":16869,"end":16872},67,{"sentences":27562,"speaker":234,"num_words":27572,"start":16874,"end":17310},[27563,27565,27567,27569,27570],{"text":27564,"start":16874,"end":17041},"Ich frag mich, ob das nicht irgendwie am falschen Ende gespart ist, grade wenn Du 1 von diesen ganz Großen bist und halt schon noch in der Lage bist, dir das zu leisten, ist es ja schon son Ausdifferenzierungsmerkmal, ja, weil Du's halt wirklich nur machen kannst, wenn Du die Manpower hast und das Geld und erst mal kein AI der Welt, der das irgendwie abnehmen kann, ja.",{"text":27566,"start":17041,"end":17193},"Also wenn ich jetzt überlege, ich bin hier 'n Google und ich will mich jetzt, weiß nicht, gegen Open AI in dem Space behaupten und ich hab zehntausende Ingenieurs und unglaublich viel Geld und überhaupt, dann würde ich halt das irgendwie nutzen, weil ich ganz genau weiß, dass OpenAI irgendwie chronisch anders darf ist und irgendwie anders auf sein Geld aufpassen muss so.",{"text":27568,"start":17193,"end":17216},"Das ist ja 'n Vorteil, den Du irgendwie ausspielen kannst.",{"text":1218,"start":17216,"end":17219},{"text":27571,"start":17219,"end":17310},"Und dass die dann da nicht eigentlich eher den gegenteiligen Move machen und sagen so, wir gehen da jetzt aber volle Kanne rein, weil wir sind die Einzigen, die diesen Space auf diese Art und Weise bespielen können.",180,{"sentences":27574,"speaker":234,"num_words":26430,"start":17312,"end":17330},[27575,27577],{"text":27576,"start":17312,"end":17326},"Weißt Du, haltest fürn Fehler?",{"text":355,"start":17326,"end":17330},{"sentences":27579,"speaker":103,"num_words":26534,"start":17330,"end":17351},[27580],{"text":27581,"start":17330,"end":17351},"Ja, an wem würdest Du diese Konferenz empfehlen?",{"sentences":27583,"speaker":234,"num_words":27594,"start":17354,"end":17628},[27584,27586,27588,27590,27592],{"text":27585,"start":17354,"end":17375},"Ja, ja, Wahrscheinlich immer Hä, ja.",{"text":27587,"start":17378,"end":17391},"Immer weniger Leuten vielleicht tatsächlich, ne.",{"text":27589,"start":17391,"end":17432},"Also läuft das, wie am Anfang gesagt, ich glaub, früher war es son bisschen breiter aufgestellt.",{"text":27591,"start":17432,"end":17499},"Jetzt ist es son bisschen, wir versuchen alle auf son gleiches AI Level zu heben sozusagen, war zumindest so dieses Jahr der der der große Tenor.",{"text":27593,"start":17502,"end":17628},"Wenn das nächstes Jahr genauso bleibt, man kann ja Gott sei Dank das Programm vorher anschauen, wo uns 'n Ticket kauft, dann ist es wahrscheinlich für unsere Stammhörerschaft immer weniger relevant, weil so Formate wie die Programmierer hat das ja auch schon viel leisten so, ja.",100,{"sentences":27596,"speaker":234,"num_words":27483,"start":17630,"end":17935},[27597,27599,27600,27601,27603],{"text":27598,"start":17630,"end":17823},"Wenn man natürlich schon Google Cloud Kunde ist und da jetzt irgendwie 'n sehr konkreten Use Case hat oder vielleicht schon 'n sehr konkretes Projekt und dann da mal mit Experten irgendwie sprechen will und schauen will, okay, wie können wir jetzt hier was mit AI Studio, Veitax, Germany, auch immer irgendwie alles machen und wir haben vielleicht schon angefangen und Du kannst dir mit sehr konkreten Fragen da irgendwie hingehen, dann ist das, glaub ich, Gold wert.",{"text":1218,"start":17823,"end":17826},{"text":10834,"start":17826,"end":17828},{"text":27602,"start":17828,"end":17930},"Wenn Du jetzt einfach nur hingehst, weil Du denkst so, oh, ich will einfach mal maximal viel mitnehmen, dann war's in diesem Jahr zumindest jetzt nicht so rentabel aus der Hinsicht, wenn man schon sich schon 'n bisschen damit auskennt, ja?",{"text":17938,"start":17934,"end":17935},{"sentences":27605,"speaker":234,"num_words":27610,"start":17935,"end":18057},[27606,27608],{"text":27607,"start":17935,"end":17959},"Vielleicht pendelt das auch wieder son bisschen zurück, ne?",{"text":27609,"start":17959,"end":18057},"Wenn sie jetzt nächstes Jahr denken, okay, wir haben jetzt diesen Beitrag geleistet und alle unsere Kunden oder zumindest die, für die das relevant und wichtig ist, die sind jetzt auf dem Level und dann können wir da irgendwie wieder 'n bisschen bisschen weitergehen.",53,{"sentences":27612,"speaker":124,"num_words":27363,"start":18060,"end":18104},[27613],{"text":27614,"start":18060,"end":18104},"Ist es denn auch sone Once in a Life Time Experience, mal unabhängig von den Inhalten?",{"sentences":27616,"speaker":234,"num_words":165,"start":18104,"end":18132},[27617],{"text":27618,"start":18104,"end":18132},"Also wie man das Unabhängig darf man schon dreimal da",{"sentences":27620,"speaker":124,"num_words":27459,"start":18134,"end":18304},[27621,27622,27624,27626,27628],{"text":3386,"start":18134,"end":18135},{"text":27623,"start":18135,"end":18157},"Genau, ja, aber genau deswegen, also keine Ahnung.",{"text":27625,"start":18160,"end":18209},"WWDC war immer son Ding als jemand, der irgendwie Muss man mal gucken und sowas, muss man machen.",{"text":27627,"start":18209,"end":18248},"Hab ich nie gemacht, ist glaube ich seit Corona auch nicht mehr so einfach zurückgekehrt.",{"text":27629,"start":18248,"end":18304},"Also ich meine auch, wenn es jetzt mal diese On Zeit Sachen gibt, aber es sind halt die aufgezeichneten Präsentationen und so.",{"sentences":27631,"speaker":124,"num_words":26583,"start":18304,"end":18459},[27632,27634],{"text":27633,"start":18304,"end":18390},"Also es ist glaube ich weit weg von dem Feeling, wie es mal irgendwie war, vermute ich, ohne da gewesen zu sein und hat das da noch sone Atmosphäre, das ist einfach irgendwie 'n Special Event.",{"text":27635,"start":18390,"end":18459},"Da gibt's noch was über jetzt rein nüchtern betrachtet, so die Vorträge, wo man so sagt, okay, ist schon eine der coolsten Tech Events, whatever.",{"sentences":27637,"speaker":234,"num_words":27648,"start":18463,"end":18964},[27638,27640,27642,27644,27646],{"text":27639,"start":18463,"end":18501},"Das ist auf alle Fälle 1 der bestproduzierten Tech Events, auf denen ich so war.",{"text":27641,"start":18501,"end":18675},"Ja, also wenn man jetzt einfach nur mal erleben will, wie man eine Konferenz wirklich, unabhängig von dem, was wir am Anfang gesagt haben, mit Infrastruktur und Logistik, ja, wenn man das wirklich sehr gut vom Thema her durchzieht, wie man sehr breiten Kontext anbietet, wie man es schafft, irgendwie auch 'n Abendprogramm zu gestalten, das irgendwie Leute mitnimmt, ja, dann ist das schon irgendwie alles ganz cool.",{"text":27643,"start":18677,"end":18808},"Ob ich das jetzt wirklich als so Ding, weiß nicht, also viele Leute, mit denen ich da zwischen Tür und Angel gesprochen hab, die waren auch schon mehrfach da, was jetzt auch son bisschen dagegen vielleicht spricht, dass man da einmal hin will und dann hat man das irgendwie abgehakt und kommt nicht wieder.",{"text":27645,"start":18808,"end":18879},"Andererseits ist es ja auch eine andere Qualität, ne, also wenn man jetzt sieht, die Leute kommen da wirklich wieder hin, das spricht ja auch für die Veranstaltung.",{"text":27647,"start":18881,"end":18964},"Und ich glaube, am Ende ist es auch gar nicht so limitiert, also was bei der WWDC ja auch schon immer war, es hat ja relativ früh auf son Lotterieystem zum Beispiel gesetzt, ja.",199,{"sentences":27650,"speaker":234,"num_words":27661,"start":18966,"end":19216},[27651,27653,27655,27657,27659],{"text":27652,"start":18966,"end":19073},"Es hat so den Punkt, dass es ja auch bei Apple zu Gast war oder zumindest in Apples Hinterhof irgendwie war, dass man die Chance hatte, mit Apple Engineers zu sprechen, die sonst halt nicht dafür bekannt sind, ultra kommunikativ zu sein, ja.",{"text":27654,"start":19075,"end":19115},"Das ist, glaube ich, alles bei Google nicht so der Fall und in Las Vegas schon zweimal nicht.",{"text":27656,"start":19115,"end":19139},"Also Du fährst nicht nach Las Vegas, Google zu besuchen.",{"text":27658,"start":19139,"end":19183},"So, da ist, glaub ich, die Google I o, die immer noch in San Francisco ist, oder?",{"text":27660,"start":19183,"end":19216},"Und dann son bisschen näher zumindest schon mal an Mountain View vielleicht dran.",101,{"sentences":27663,"speaker":234,"num_words":27089,"start":19219,"end":19451},[27664,27666,27668,27670,27672],{"text":27665,"start":19219,"end":19246},"Vielleicht hat das mehr so den Effekt, ja, da da zu sein.",{"text":27667,"start":19246,"end":19286},"Ich glaube, auf der I o merkst Du auch son bisschen mehr von Googles Character insgesamt.",{"text":27669,"start":19289,"end":19308},"Also vielleicht ist der Vergleich dahin dann dann besser.",{"text":27671,"start":19308,"end":19349},"Ansonsten würde ich jetzt nicht sagen, dass es ones in a life time ist.",{"text":27673,"start":19349,"end":19451},"Ob man da jetzt als Entwickler, der vielleicht jetzt nicht so den den News Fokus hat wie, wenn ich da auch so Sessions drauf guck, ob man da wirklich dann jedes Jahr hin müsste, würd ich auch mal bezweifeln, ne.",{"sentences":27675,"speaker":234,"num_words":27684,"start":19454,"end":19793},[27676,27677,27679,27681,27683],{"text":19457,"start":19454,"end":19455},{"text":27678,"start":19455,"end":19571},"Da reicht's wahrscheinlich auch, wenn man irgendwie jedes zweite oder dritte Jahr oder so was dann dann mitnimmt, weil man muss auch ehrlicherweise sagen, dass die die Iterationen in dieser AI Bubble ja schon zumindest in den letzten paar Monaten auch wieder 'n bisschen kleiner geworden sind.",{"text":27680,"start":19571,"end":19764},"Also wenn man sich anguckt, was vielleicht der Step Change war von der Cloud Next 23 auf 24, da ist sehr viel passiert, da haben wir ja so Sachen gesehen wie Geminar, ich glaub 1 5 Pro, das erste Mal so mit 1000000 Tokens, Kontextwindo und so was alles und kannst Du jetzt selber deployen und bla bla bla und die ersten Jamma Modelle auch zum selber benutzen und so was alles in der Zeit, ja.",{"text":27682,"start":19766,"end":19788},"Und aktuell dieses Jahr war es ja auch einfach nur.",{"text":2501,"start":19792,"end":19793},135,{"sentences":27686,"speaker":124,"num_words":103,"start":19793,"end":19795},[27687],{"text":675,"start":19793,"end":19795},{"sentences":27689,"speaker":234,"num_words":27696,"start":19795,"end":19919},[27690,27692,27694],{"text":27691,"start":19795,"end":19836},"also ich glaube, Gablelt, wenn er letztes Jahr da war, hat er viele coole Sachen mitbekommen.",{"text":27693,"start":19839,"end":19858},"Dieses Jahr hat er wahrscheinlich nicht ultraviel verpasst.",{"text":27695,"start":19861,"end":19919},"Wenn er nächstes Jahr übernächstes Jahr dann wieder dabei wär, dann ist wahrscheinlich das das Inkrement wieder groß genug, als dass es sich 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irgendwie 'n Joke war da zu sein, ne, weil Du bist in diesem Center da, in diesem wie's?",{"text":27733,"start":20323,"end":20334},"Bist Du das?",26,{"sentences":27736,"speaker":234,"num_words":165,"start":20334,"end":20363},[27737],{"text":27738,"start":20334,"end":20363},"Wir sind das Center, Du kommst nicht wirklich, Du weißt",{"sentences":27740,"speaker":103,"num_words":26963,"start":20363,"end":20397},[27741,27743],{"text":27742,"start":20363,"end":20374},"halt dieses Gebäude nicht.",{"text":27744,"start":20374,"end":20397},"Du hast ja zum Glück die Drohne dabei gehabt.",{"sentences":27746,"speaker":234,"num_words":26430,"start":20397,"end":20415},[27747],{"text":27748,"start":20397,"end":20415},"Ja, wir haben 'n Industrie Spionage.",{"sentences":27750,"speaker":103,"num_words":27734,"start":20419,"end":20482},[27751],{"text":27752,"start":20419,"end":20482},"Das war dann wieder geil, aber so, Du siehst ja, Du siehst eigentlich nichts von dem Gebäude, das ist halt einfach Bäume 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da.",{"text":355,"start":20627,"end":20629},{"text":27776,"start":20629,"end":20689},"Es war halt auch an 'nem Tag, wo es war 'n Sonntag oder so und 'n Feiertag, war halt auch nix los.",{"sentences":27778,"speaker":234,"num_words":26553,"start":20689,"end":20746},[27779,27781,27782,27784,27785],{"text":27780,"start":20689,"end":20718},"Ja, es war jetzt, also es war wirklich in keinster Weise schmeckt.",{"text":355,"start":20722,"end":20723},{"text":27783,"start":20723,"end":20739},"Ich bin da voll bei dir.",{"text":355,"start":20741,"end":20742},{"text":355,"start":20745,"end":20746},{"sentences":27787,"speaker":234,"num_words":27255,"start":20748,"end":20865},[27788,27790,27792],{"text":27789,"start":20748,"end":20835},"Aber ich glaub, ja, wie gesagt, Vegas spielt ja schon halt auch mit rein, weil wie, also unabhängig von dem, was Du eingangs gesagt hast mit, da kann man auch irgendwie Spaß haben und so, was alles, alles richtig.",{"text":27791,"start":20837,"end":20861},"Aber Du 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genau.",{"text":21440,"start":21438,"end":21439},{"text":27847,"start":21442,"end":21453},"Du machst das halt nicht.",{"sentences":27849,"speaker":234,"num_words":26395,"start":21455,"end":21469},[27850,27851],{"text":355,"start":21455,"end":21456},{"text":27852,"start":21456,"end":21469},"Das ist so genau die Frage,",{"sentences":27854,"speaker":124,"num_words":27283,"start":21469,"end":21546},[27855,27856,27858],{"text":7680,"start":21469,"end":21471},{"text":27857,"start":21471,"end":21542},"Genau, also ich ich ich würde auch definitiv sagen, ich bin derjenige, der von der Konferenz profitiert, weil er sich dann zu, gezwungenermaßen nicht Zeit dafür nimmt.",{"text":21548,"start":21545,"end":21546},{"sentences":27860,"speaker":234,"num_words":26655,"start":21550,"end":21598},[27861,27863],{"text":27862,"start":21550,"end":21582},"Ich auch, aber ich werd dir auch Leute halt sagen, so, nee, ja.",{"text":27864,"start":21582,"end":21598},"Gibt mir nichts, brauche ich 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vermisst.",{"sentences":27883,"speaker":124,"num_words":26451,"start":21786,"end":21858},[27884],{"text":27885,"start":21786,"end":21858},"Aber ich mein, ja, wir haben aber keine Serie muss man auch zugeben auf jeder Konferenz, auf die wir fahren, eine gute Zeit, aber Was meine ich denn?",{"sentences":27887,"speaker":234,"num_words":26639,"start":21862,"end":21904},[27888],{"text":27889,"start":21862,"end":21904},"Bei 32000 Leuten im Stadion aufm Konzert ist halt schon auch nun mal cool.",{"sentences":27891,"speaker":124,"num_words":26464,"start":21904,"end":22023},[27892,27894,27896,27898],{"text":27893,"start":21904,"end":21917},"Genau, das ist halt das Ding.",{"text":27895,"start":21917,"end":21973},"Ich mein, wenn Du mal 32000 Leute hast, dann hast Du auch irgendwie 'n paar Leute, die abfallen, die Lust auf was haben.",{"text":27897,"start":21973,"end":21989},"Das ist ja auch ganz gut.",{"text":27899,"start":21989,"end":22023},"So, ne, dann kannst Du halt irgendwie auch Abend 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