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Unsere News-Folgen gibt es auf \u003Ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@programmierbar\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">YouTube\u003C/a> und \u003Ca href=\"https://open.spotify.com/show/0ik0sXv9paTQCeThcOLCCJ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify\u003C/a> als Video.\u003C/p>\n\u003Cp>Ihr möchtet auf der programmier.con 2026 (25.-26. November 2026) einen Talk halten? Dann meldet euch jetzt unter: \u003Ca href=\"https://cfp.programmier.bar/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">cfp.programmier.bar\u003C/a>\u003C/p>\n\u003Cp>Dave bringt uns ein Thema mit, das die Web-Entwicklung nachhaltig verändern könnte:\u003Cstrong> HTML in Canvas\u003C/strong>. Aktuell müssen wir uns oft zwischen der Barrierefreiheit des DOMs und der Performance von Canvas entscheiden. Ein neues \u003Ca href=\"https://github.com/WICG/html-in-canvas\">Proposal der WICG\u003C/a> will das ändern.\u003C/p>\n\u003Cp>Jan hat sich \u003Ca href=\"https://blog.cloudflare.com/emdash-wordpress/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">den selbsternannten WordPress-Nachfolger von Cloudflare angeschaut: \u003Cstrong>EmDash\u003C/strong>\u003C/a>. Das CMS basiert auf Astro, bringt gute AI Integration mit und nutzt eine innovative Architektur, bei der Plugins in isolierten Cloudflare Workers ausgeführt werden. Das verspricht zwar ein enormes Plus an Sicherheit, wirft aber auch Fragen zum Vendor Lock-in auf.\u003C/p>\n\u003Cp>Garrelt wirft einen Blick auf das massive \u003Cstrong>MDN Update\u003C/strong>. Das Mozilla Developer Network hat seine Front-end-Architektur grundlegend umgebaut und ist dabei von React zu Web Components gewechselt. Warum dieser Schritt für mehr Performance und bessere Maintainability sorgt und wie das Team dabei eigene Server-Components-Lösungen implementiert hat, könnt ihr im \u003Ca href=\"https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/blog/mdn-front-end-deep-dive/\">MDN Front-end Deep Dive\u003C/a> nachlesen.\u003C/p>\n\u003Cp>In Zeiten von KI-generiertem „Slop“ stellt Dennis \u003Ca href=\"https://codeberg.org/robida/human.json\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">das Protokoll \u003Cstrong>human.json\u003C/strong>\u003C/a> vor. Die Idee dahinter: Ein Proxy-Trust-Netzwerk, mit dem ihr verifizieren könnt, dass eure Inhalte tatsächlich von Menschen stammen. Wir diskutieren kritisch, ob ein solches Label wirklich nötig ist oder ob am Ende nicht doch einfach nur die Qualität des Contents zählen sollte.\u003C/p>\n\u003Cp>Zum Abschluss gibt es noch ein wichtiges Update für euer SEO-Ranking. \u003Ca href=\"https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2026/04/back-button-hijacking\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Google geht gegen \u003Cstrong>Back-button Hijacking\u003C/strong> vor.\u003C/a> Google stuft dieses Verhalten nun offiziell als Malware-ähnlich ein, was direkte Auswirkungen auf die Sichtbarkeit in den Suchergebnissen hat.\u003C/p>",null,"https://www.buzzsprout.com/176239/episodes/19020351-news-16-26-html-in-canvas-emdash-mdn-update-human-json-google-ranking.mp3",{"id":15,"title":16,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":17,"filename_download":18,"metadata":19,"type":20,"filesize":21,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":22,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":23,"uploaded_on":24,"folder":12,"width":25,"height":25,"charset":12,"duration":12},"df18f17e-a152-4fb4-9d39-b66c4bb3678f","News Asset 16","df18f17e-a152-4fb4-9d39-b66c4bb3678f.jpg","News-Asset 16.jpg",{},"image/jpeg","1262982","2026-04-15T06:25:10.508Z","11a655b6-bcfc-4c6c-a13c-68189e38edb9","2026-04-15T06:25:10.353Z",1500,[],[28,46,61,77],{"member":29},{"id":30,"first_name":31,"last_name":32,"occupation":33,"description":34,"normal_image":35},"47099351-508c-44d9-a2a2-855181c72ee8","Jan Gregor","Emge-Triebel","// programmier.bar Tech Community Lead // Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Jan ist ein echter Technik-Fan mit einer facettenreichen Karriere, die sich über Web-, Mobile-App-Entwicklung und DevOps erstreckt. Dank seiner vielfältigen Rollen – vom Entwickler über den Teamleiter bis hin zum Vice President Development – verfügt Jan über einen großen Erfahrungsschatz in der Softwareentwicklung und Developer Advocacy.\u003Cbr>Seine Leidenschaften jenseits der Technik reichen von Tauchgängen an exotischen Orten über das Eintauchen in digitale wie analoge Spiele bis hin zum Abtauchen in gelungene Plot-Twists in Büchern und Filmen.\u003C/p>",{"id":36,"title":37,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":38,"filename_download":39,"metadata":40,"type":20,"filesize":41,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":42,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":43,"uploaded_on":44,"folder":12,"width":45,"height":45,"charset":12,"duration":12},"ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b","Jan CD","ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b.jpg","Jan_CD.jpg",{},"649400","2024-07-26T09:26:17.846Z","e97179d2-51b3-4deb-828f-9524091441f5","2024-07-26T09:26:17.710Z",1024,{"member":47},{"id":48,"first_name":49,"last_name":50,"occupation":51,"description":52,"normal_image":53},"958f6624-c721-4ff9-8a97-69148f540945","Dennis","Becker","// Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dennis ist Head of Development bei Lotum und kümmert sich liebevoll um die Entwickler:innen und deren Weiterentwicklung. \u003Cbr>In den Podcastfolgen übernimmt Dennis gerne die Moderation. Beim täglichen Tischtennis ist er immer am Start und seit wenigen Jahren passionierter Kitesurfer. Mittlerweile ist er auch Vibe Coder mit Leidenschaft und überzeugt, dass seine Kolleg:innen AI unterschätzen. \u003C/p>",{"id":54,"title":55,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":56,"filename_download":57,"metadata":12,"type":20,"filesize":58,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":59,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":12,"uploaded_on":60,"folder":12,"width":45,"height":45,"charset":12,"duration":12},"7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9","Dennis Becker","7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9.jpg","dennis_becker_normal_01e352e682.jpg","45729","2022-01-16T14:26:35.196Z","2021-12-30T14:16:28.647Z",{"member":62},{"id":63,"first_name":64,"last_name":65,"occupation":66,"description":67,"normal_image":68},"11d2e9b0-4443-4287-96bc-3930b0ada739","Dave","Koschitzki","// Website // Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dave ist seit 2024 Mitglied des programmier.bar-Teams. Neben seiner Arbeit an der Website-Entwicklung bringt er frischen Wind in den Podcast und ist regelmäßig bei Meetups anzutreffen. Seine Leidenschaft für Games, die er sowohl auf der Konsole als auch am PC spielt, ist unübersehbar.\u003Cbr> \u003Cbr>Wenn er nicht gerade in virtuelle Welten eintaucht, trifft man ihn im Fitnessstudio, wo er mit Begeisterung Gewichte stemmt. Dave bereichert das Team nicht nur durch seine technischen Fähigkeiten, sondern auch durch seine vielseitigen Interessen und ansteckende Energie.\u003C/p>",{"id":69,"title":70,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":71,"filename_download":72,"metadata":73,"type":20,"filesize":74,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":75,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":43,"uploaded_on":76,"folder":12,"width":45,"height":45,"charset":12,"duration":12},"578c2a0f-e919-4668-9cb4-f5b97252d57f","Dave CD","578c2a0f-e919-4668-9cb4-f5b97252d57f.jpg","Dave_CD.jpg",{},"675668","2024-07-29T14:46:16.725Z","2024-07-29T14:46:16.613Z",{"member":78},{"id":79,"first_name":80,"last_name":81,"occupation":82,"description":83,"normal_image":84},"af60e6ac-beb7-4eff-8fe8-bb017558368e","Garrelt","Mock","// Software Developer // Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Garrelt bereichert das Podcast-Team mit seinem umfangreichen Wissen über eine Vielzahl von Tech-Themen. Seine Leidenschaft für Mobile Games hat er eindrucksvoll bewiesen, als er noch im Studium sein eigenes Spiel entwickelte.\u003Cbr>Wenn er nicht mit seiner kleinen Familie im selbst umgebauten Van die Welt erkundet, genießt er es, historische Burgen zu besichtigen. Garrelt findet den Ausgleich zwischen digitaler und analoger Welt spannend und integriert so viel wie möglich davon in seinen Alltag. Seine vielseitigen Interessen und seine Begeisterung für Technologie machen ihn zu einer wertvollen Ergänzung des Teams.\u003C/p>",{"id":85,"title":86,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":87,"filename_download":88,"metadata":89,"type":20,"filesize":90,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":91,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":43,"uploaded_on":92,"folder":12,"width":45,"height":45,"charset":12,"duration":12},"a97e0bc1-29e6-46ce-ab1a-d85b738552f0","Garrelt CD","a97e0bc1-29e6-46ce-ab1a-d85b738552f0.jpg","Garrelt_CD.jpg",{},"672932","2024-07-29T14:31:27.028Z","2024-07-29T14:31:26.899Z",[],[],[],[],461,191,[],{"id":101,"service":102,"supported_features":103,"speakers":106,"raw_response":116},"d3bfdbda-b047-4306-af2b-891de4cfbca4","deepgram",[104,105],"timestamps","diarization",[107,110,112,114],{"identifier":108,"name":109},"0","Jan",{"identifier":111,"name":49},"1",{"identifier":113,"name":64},"2",{"identifier":115,"name":80},"3",{"metadata":117,"results":131},{"transaction_key":118,"request_id":119,"sha256":120,"created":121,"duration":122,"channels":123,"models":124,"model_info":126},"deprecated","019d9171-14ce-7d51-9964-422700160302","8b4719bb2a2f37dfa2e9de76b8cdb0804774319631e6e730c82fab0ade983dfe","2026-04-15T14:00:06.669Z",2775.3691,1,[125],"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3",{"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3":127},{"name":128,"version":129,"arch":130},"2-general-nova","2024-05-09.3071","nova-2",{"channels":132,"utterances":26820},[133],{"alternatives":134},[135],{"transcript":136,"confidence":137,"words":138,"paragraphs":24615},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen Woche in der Programmierbau, heute schon in Kalenderwoche 26. Wir haben eine sehr vollgepackte Sendung und für alle, die das Video sehen, die sehen, dass wir ein neues Studio haben, das ebenfalls sehr vollgepacktes mit Dennis, Dave Hi. Und Garet. Wann war ich dachte, wir stellt uns selbst vor. Nee, das ist Ja, ich das hat sich jetzt so angeboten, weil ihr da alle so auf dem Präsentierteller saß. Aber das ist schon aber das ist schon interessant, weil Du hast Dennis, Dave, Garet gesagt. Also Du bist nach irgendwie gar keinem Schema vorgegangen. Also Ja, ich hab mit Dennis angefangen, weil Dennis für mich in der Mitte, also so wie das Video bei mir ist, mit der Mitfragen, jetzt fängt ja wieder einmal der der mittleren, die Ecke in der Mitte, mittlere Ecke. Das Problem wollen wir doch einiges Sorgen. Oh, jetzt ist es wieder. Und dann darf ich irgendwie so Mist, ich muss alphabetisch weitermachen, also a erst Dave und dann Cari und dann war's vorbei, aber irgendwie alles. Okay. Ja, ist aber wirklich vorbei. Ja. Wir haben nicht nur ein vollgepacktes Studio, sondern auch eine vollgepackt Agenda. Wir wollen sprechen über HTML und Canvas, über neue CMS Systeme von Cloud Player, über MDN, über Menschen in JSON Dokumenten und Garet hat noch was zum Google Ranking, Searchindex, wie auch immer mitgebracht. Ich dachte, bevor wir hier einmal kurz deine Themen anfangen, Oh. Heijack ich das hier kurz, einmal zu sagen, es war megacool aufm letzten Meet-up, oder? Also ich fand's ultrakrass, wie viele Leute da Boah ey. Ich gebuchter Weltmeister. Ich war krank. Ah, da ist es sehr. Ja, aber es war wirklich krass, Guddelt oder? Krass, dass also wie krass Du das verpassen hast? Na ja, tatsächlich, also ja. Weißt Du wie viele Leute da waren? Ja, über 90. Genau. Aber das wär ja auch mein Plädoyer immer, dass wir das endlich mal anfangen zu streamen einfach online. Ja, das ist 'n guter Punkt. Hab ich ja auch drüber nachgedacht, wenn wir jetzt genug Leute haben und nicht mehr die Angst haben, dass die Leute dann zu faul sind und zu Hause sitzen bleiben, sondern halt genießen, dass sie hier sind, leckeres Essen bekommen miteinander networken, dann können wir auch den Podcasthörer*innen das zugängliche machen, entweder einen Livestream davon haben. Ja. Das also zumindest ist das CMS ja auch schon aufgesetzt, dass wir die Aufnahme einfach hochladen können am Ende und die dann hier erscheint auf der Meet up Seite. Das geht, wir haben noch Youtube und so weiter, wir sind doch technologisch, geht alles. Wir müssen auf Play drücken. Alles da. Ja. Aber zu deiner Frage, Jan, es war wirklich crazy. Also superviel los, ist richtig gute Speakerin. Die Leute waren motiviert. Es war einfach 'n sehr, sehr cooler Abend. Wie hast Du die Motivation gemerkt? Ich hab mit den Leuten geredet und sie waren sehr hyped. Wahrscheinlich lag's auch 'n bisschen an mir, dass ich hoch hyped hab, aber So gut, sei gut. Du warst hyped. Ich war mega hyped. Das war, nee, das war wirklich, das war wirklich, es war wirklich sehr schön. Nein, ich mein, ich find das spannend. Wir reden ja manchmal darüber, ne, wie sehr sich unser Newsformat ändern wird, weil wir jetzt im Moment noch AI News und andere News getrennt haben und vielleicht wird ja dann irgendwie keine Ahnung, wenn halt alles AI ist, dann macht's auch nicht mehr Sinn über das nächste Bann Update zu reden sozusagen und sehr spannend war halt an diesem Abend, weil es ja auch ein AI Thema war einfach so zu sehen, wie unterschiedlich noch die Leute drauf sind. Also ne Leute, die kamen, meinten boah, irgendwie hab ich das Gefühl, ich hab das bis jetzt son bisschen verpennt, eigentlich hab ich noch nicht groß was damit gemacht. Ja, echt. Und andere, die halt so sagen ne und da also das geht halt krass auseinander im Moment so. Da da war halt sone Babbele. Da hatte ich auch das Gefühl, dass man aber trotzdem die Leute echt motiviert hat auch. Also es gab wenige, die dann gesagt haben, ich will immer noch nichts davon hören, sondern es war auch für viele, glaube ich, tatsächlich 'n Anstoß sich jetzt doch noch mal mehr damit beschäftigen. Aber ich glaub einfach noch mal Hands on, was gesehen hat und dacht sich, oh, okay, das sind so die Möglichkeiten damit. So, ich glaub, die sich damit nicht auseinandergesetzt haben, wissen auch gar nicht, was eigentlich alles möglich ist. Also, was ich immer noch krass finde im Jahr 2026 so, aber Ja. Und Du hörst natürlich auch irgendwo halt dann auch die realen Use Case, wenn man mit Leuten berät ist. Ich glaube, das gibt ja auch noch mal 'n Proof, wenn Du halt nicht auf LinkedIn so, so, so, Du Entrepreneur und ich hab jetzt alles in einem Wochenende eine Weile bekordeet, sondern Ja, und das ganze Team sich umstrukturieren und und anfangen, anders zu arbeiten, Ja. Das ist ja dann schon irgendwie auch noch 'n gewisser Social Proof sozusagen, den man von dem man bekommen kann durch son Meeting. Ja. So. Also dadurch, dass ihr jetzt mal remote darüberschaltet, das hat ja gar keine Möglichkeit, hier unser Gespräch vor Ort zu unterbrechen. Doch, ich kann einfach wegmuten, so, das ist so schwierig. Aber wir hören uns ja immer noch. So, wir hören uns ja immer noch gegen Ist egal, die Aufnahme hört euch nicht mehr am Ende. Ja, okay, true. Ja. Ja, also war war megacool. Nächstes Meet-up, einundzwanzigster Mai. Für alle, die's jetzt verpasst haben, Angel Garelt, die können dann am einundzwanzigsten Mai wieder am Start sein. Ich bin in Elternzeit. Nein, er ist weg. Oh man. Aber da darf man ja trotzdem abends was trinken gehen, Garelt. Ich bin auf Reisen. Er ist komplett weg. Er ist komplett weg. Na dann musst Du hoffen, dass Dennis bis dahin den Stream eingerichtet hat. Ja, das wär gut. Boah, Challenge bis dahin, wenn Du's nicht schaffst, dann musst Du irgendwas machen? An mir liegt's nicht. Okay. Also wirklich. Das kannst Du draufdrücken und streamen auf Youtube. Okay, dann let's go. Ich hab aber vielleicht, haben wir noch Zeit für noch 'n Auftopic? Ja, ah ja, ja. Und ich hab ich hab überlegt, wenn ich's dann in Elternzeit bin, ich bin 3 oder 4 Monate in Elternzeit, dann hab ich so gedacht, boah, in der Eizeiten passiert wahrscheinlich recht viel, wie bleib Ich ja. Wie bleib ich up to date? Hab ich mich gefragt, reicht es, wenn ich die Programmierbaren News höre Ja. Safe. Up to date zu bleiben? Und ich glaube, ich mach das einfach mal als Experiment, dass ich die höre und wenn ich wiederkomme, dann so vergleiche, bei welchem Stand bin ich jetzt und was ist praktisch der Stand, den ich hier wahrnehme und dann können wir Nur das einmal besser zu verstehen, heißt das, Du hörst die Programmierer sonst eigentlich grade gar nicht und fängst jetzt quasi damit an? Ja, ja. Das hat er nicht gesagt. Du sitzt ja in den News drin. Ach so, aber nicht in den einen, sondern nicht in den der einen News. Weißt Du's? Ja. Vielleicht sitzt es ja immer im Salon einfach hinter der Kamera, unter der Couch, hör auch bei den Speaking of AI News, einmal Shoutout noch an Philipp, der meine Cloud Code League Hot Tags korrigiert hat in der letzten AI News Folge und gemeint hat, na, ist ja doch alles irgendwie son bisschen mehr geleakt, als man gedacht hätte. Mhm. Ja, muss ich mich wohl verbessern. Das ist erschreckend, wie viel plane ship da irgendwie 'n Cloud Code mitgeschippt wird, so. Aber am Ende bleib ich dabei, es ist ja alles trotzdem Quelltext, der schon die ganze Zeit auf euren Rechnern war, nur halt ohne's aus Map. Also Ist jetzt nicht unbedingt so halt, ne. Und ja, kann man ja auch die Compiende, also geht ja schon mit viel Mühe, wenn man will. Wir starten das nicht noch mal, Jan. Genau, ich wollt sagen. Ja. Danke Philipp für die Ergänzung. Wollt ich nur mal gesagt hab. Lieber an Philipp Bier raus. Hört Philipp wohl diese News? Wir werden's sehen. Philipp, Herr Stimmt, der hat ja auch korrigiert. Meinen letzten Hair Shit Take gehört. Na ja, na ja, na ja, also Du hast das ja auch gepostet auf LinkedIn oder? Nee, weil er hat gesagt auch. Also wenn Du die AI News hören würdest, würdest Du hören, aber er hat mich, mein Gott, okay. Hab ich mir grad die News referenziert. Jetzt hast Du da ganz krass genug grade gefragt, ne? Ja. Dave, erzähl doch mal was Sinnvolles, dass wir hier von diesen Off Topic Themen wegkommen und erzähl uns, was es mit HTML in Can was auf sich hat. Ja, man, ja, man. Bevor wir das so anfangen, also was ja superinteressant ist, weil ich glaub, das ist ja etwas, was uns auch direkt betrifft, Garnit. Wir machen ja HTML 5 Games und ein Ding, womit wir ja zu kämpfen haben, sind ja so irgendwie fancy Animations und irgendwie sehr krasse Sachen, die wir darstellen wollen, ne. So irgendwie Partikelsystem, irgendwas, das auch vor allem performant läuft, ne. Ist ja son großes Thema. Mhm. So und aktuell befinden wir uns ja in so 2 Welten, ne. Zum einen, also wir haben ja diese diese DOM Welt einfach mit HTML und CSS, was halt super-, supergeil ist, ne, weil's ja irgendwie so sehr einfach ist und zugänglich. Wir wir haben so viele Sachen einfach, Text Rendering. Du kannst Sachen einfach kopieren, Du auch die Entwicklertools total easy in Sachen reinspringen. Debugging funktioniert auch richtig nice. Responsivität, jetzt auf Englisch. Was wollte ich sagen? Responsiveness. Responsiveness, genau. Genau. Und und und und das Styling mit CSS ist supermächtig. Aber was natürlich 'n superstarkes Problem ist, wenn wir superviele Dinge animieren wollen und darstellen wollen, Performance. Performance ist immer 'n Bottleneck, warum man vom vom können sie so halb. Und das p so lustig, hör das weiter bitte. Performance, genau. Also wenn Du natürlich superviele Elemente gleichzeitig irgendwie dann animieren möchtest oder irgendwie Du hast irgendwie Dropshadow, dann zack, soll sich das irgendwie bewegen. Entschuldigung, dass ich lachen muss. Es ist einfach so, es fühlt sich gerade also nur zur Aufklärung für die, die uns nur hören auf den Ohren haben und nicht uns sehen, aber es fühlt sich ja ein sehr intimes Gespräch. Dave Garrell einfach nur die Augen gucken, denk ich, das ist ehrlich, ich bin ja nicht mehr ich bin gar nicht mehr Teil dieser Kompensation, aber das ist gut. Du hast ja nicht mehr das Fensterrad am Wagen. Ja. Aber ich muss sagen aber auch, weil wir auch sehr nah beieinander sitzen so, das kommt einem auch richtig intim vor. Vor allem gerät hat 'n ganz krassen Blick, son ganz krassen tief in die Seele schaublick. Genau. Aber was was Tennis? Ja. Jan? Oder so die Set-up ist ganz komisch. Was uns aber natürlich hilft und unter anderem unser Partikelsystem basiert ja drauf, ist ja auch Canvas. So Canvas ist superschnell. Man kann ja auch theoretisch schon mit 3 D machen, machen wir jetzt nicht so, aber ist ja damit auch möglich, diese ganzen Partikelsystem rendern und das alles bei 60 Frames pro Second eigentlich gar kein Problem. Das Problem erkennbars ist aber, es ist ja einfach nur 'n dummes Bild, ne, mehr oder weniger. So, dass halt irgendwie deine Leinwand, darauf zeichnest Du Pixel so. Und das das das war's am Ende. Du hast nicht so coole Sachen, die Du aus CSS kennst, so was wie Hover, Active Fokus, wo Du direkt weißt, ah okay, der User ist ja grade mit der Maus drüber oder hat's irgendwie grade berührt und so an an seinem Mobile Gerät. Und viele Dinge sind einfach an Canvas oward, ne. Auch irgendwie, wenn Du Texte reinbringst möchtest, Zeilenober und so, das kannst Du alles nicht so schön gestalten, weil's halt einfach auf Pixel basiert. Und jetzt, Jan, das hast Du angekündigt, kam dieses Proposal nämlich für HTML in Canvas. Und zwar ist das von der WICG, hab ich sicherlich auch leider das erste Mal von gehört. Das ist die Web Inkubator Community Group. Das ist eine Community Gruppe Gruppe Gruppe von der W-3-c und die sind halt immer dabei, so quasi neue Features für fürs Web einfach dann irgendwie sich auszudenken und dann voranzutreiben und das immer son bisschen zu pushen. Und das Coole ist, das kann man jetzt auch schon direkt aktivieren, das ist hinter soner Chromium Fleck versteckt mit Canvas Draw Elements und das ist nämlich ganz, ganz cool, denn man hat dieses Canvas Element in im im HTML und da kann man jetzt 'n neues Element hinzufügen und zwar nennt sich das Layout Subt tree. Und da kannst Du dann in diesem einfach alles anfügen, so was Du aus HTML kennst, also, irgendwelche Paragrafen, s v gs und so, ganz alles einfach dran machen. Und was dann passiert ist, dass sich diese diese von diesem Canvas genauso verhalten, wie man das eigentlich aus HTML kennt. Das heißt, auch in 'nem Stacking Kontext sind, sich danach auch ausschlüsseln und quasi wenn Du dann hast, das hat wieder weitere Elemente, dann auch genau in diesem Kontextblock sind und einfach diesen Baum dann so bilden, was schon mal sehr, sehr cool ist, weil Du's davor einfach nicht konntest. Und jetzt kommt aber noch mal 'n bisschen der Unterschied, die verhalten sich auch so, als wären sie sichtbar, ja, also die nehmen auch den Platz dann ein in in in in in in der Struktur so, aber die werden erst dargestellt, wenn Du sie explizit zeichnen lässt, ne. Also dann gibt's diese diese Funktion Element Image, das heißt, Du musst das dann auswählen von dem Canvas, dass genau dieses Element dann gezeichnet werden soll. Dann und dann wird das dargestellt. So und das Coole daran ist, dass der Browser sich jetzt nativ alle Sachen kümmert. So, So, das heißt, Du musst nicht mal irgendwie sagen, okay, wie sieht das mit Responsivität aus, wie Dinge gehandelt werden, wann so das painting übernommen wird, sondern das macht der Browser alles nativ, weil der's ja eigentlich schon aus der HTML DOM Welt schon alles kennt. Mhm. Das heißt, das verbindet son bisschen so diese diese superkrasse Rendergeschwindigkeit, die man durch Canvas hat und kombiniert das halt aber mit dieser Leichtigkeit von HTML und CSS und kann diese Element direkt auswählen. Also pack ich dann einfach son Canvas Element dann hinter meine komplette Webseite und rappel einfach meine komplette Webseite darin. Da kann ich einfach überall zusätzlich was malen. Kann aber gut sein, dass das dann trotzdem unperformanter ist insgesamt. Ja. Aber ist geil, aber Rainer. Okay. Und in in den fand ich richtig cool, das wär jetzt cool, wenn man das auch so einblenden könnte, aber es gab so irgendwie so son Jelly Slider. Mhm. Hast Du's grade deine Hand gemacht? Ja, hier kommt das Bild dann in der Nähe. Oh, praktisch. Ja, das musst Du aber nachbearbeiten. Und zwar ist das ganz cool, weil Du so son Slider Sag mal, dass der der, dass das aussieht. Ich will's mal. Also ich ich versuch's auch mal zu beschreiben. Also das ist son Slider, wie man den so quasi von Audioplayern kennt, also das ist halt irgendwie so Prozentanzeige und dann wie laut etwas ist. Ja, und das ist aber ganz cool, weil das son Jelly Ding ist und sich dann so bewegt und das irgendwie sehr, sehr, sehr cool aussieht. Genau und dann halt auch sone Dreidimensionalität reinbringt, was meganice ist. Und was halt cool ist, Du kannst halt halt, weil das jetzt halt in HTML lebt, auch damit Tab direkt darauf zugreifen und den halt dann noch mit Pfeiltasten bewegen und so. Das wär, mit kennen wir's einfach nicht möglich gewesen, einfach weil's jetzt wirklich 'n Slider ist, der hier angesprochen wird und heißt hast hast Du natürlich diese 3 D Möglichkeit einfach insgesamt. Und das ist schon irgendwie ganz geil und natürlich jetzt Stichwort so Accessability, 'n Screenreader wird das auch erkennen und sagen, hey, der ist ein Slider, der hat den Wert ATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT meganice aus, ist direkt auch perfekt synchronisiert mit deinem Code. Das heißt, Du kannst diese Werte dann auch dann einfach direkt zugreifen und musst nicht irgendwie auch gut drauf achten, wie Du's davor gemacht hast, irgendwie son Canvas und dann unsichtbares HTML Element, dass das irgendwie so nachspiegelt, sondern das ist halt perfekt direkt da. Und ist jetzt natürlich cool, dass durch dieses einfach so versucht wird, 'n sauberen nativen Standard einzubringen für dieses Canvas mit HTML. Also da gibt's viele verschiedene Beispiele. Ich fand diesen, ist leider sehr, sehr cool. Der sieht irgendwie richtig nice aus, auch wie Du son Schatten wirft und das Licht bricht und gleichzeitig halt, wie easy das dann auch machbar ist. Da ist auch in dem Proposal immer noch der Code angegeben. Würd ich einfach mal sagen, kann sich jeder anschauen, einfach mal selbst bisschen rumexperimentieren. Würd natürlich auch vermutlich noch etwas dauern, also ist jetzt grad 'n Proposal, bis das durch ist, wird's wahrscheinlich Monate oder Jahre dauern, aber Wie krass, dass das in Chrome halt schon verfügbar ist, wenn's noch 'n Proposal ist? Also kommt das dann auch von Chrome Leuten oder was? Also ich glaub wie das schon eingebaut hat. Alles, was mit Web zu tun hat, immer im Chrome irgendwie. Da werden wahrscheinlich viel Leute von Google sitzen, die an Chrome arbeiten, die da mitsprechen. Wie das Ganze funktioniert, haben wir schon mal in 1 Programmierbarfolge besprochen. Ich kann dir jetzt leider auch die Nummer nicht verlinken, vielleicht kann das ja auch noch mal im Hintergrund recherchieren. Wer Referenz? Auch Ist kein Thema, weil wir besprechen das bald auch noch mal in der Programmierbarfolge. Von daher, ja, auf jeden Fall sehr cool. Sollte man sich mal anschauen und einfach 'n bisschen rumprobieren. Also ich fand das also einfach sehr spannend, wie wie zugänglich das jetzt insgesamt ist. Ist ist cool. Nice. Wuy hatte Programmierer ein Message. Yes. Geil. Das das nächste Gif. Das ist einfach das nächste Gif. Und schöner davon. Schön. Wunderbar. Schauen wir schauen wir mal, ob ihr die nächste Message auch approved. Ich hab was von Cloudflare dabei und das ist veröffentlicht worden am ersten April und ich muss auch sagen, meine erste Reaktion war, wie Dave bei uns im Chat auch so, ist das ernst gemeint oder ist das nur son erster April Scherz, so, ja? Und böse gesagt, könnte man sagen, die Wahrheit liegt wahrscheinlich irgendwo dazwischen. Also wenn man wenn man Cloudflare fragt, ist das sehr ernst gemeint. Wenn man andere Leute fragt, müssen wir vielleicht noch mal draufschauen. Aber was ist passiert? Cloudflare hat Mdash vorgestellt. Mdash ist Cloudflares Versuch, einen selbst betitelten Nachfolger für WordPress vorzustellen. WordPress ja irgendwie das CMS, was je nachdem, wen man so fragt, die Hälfte des Internets betreibt oder 'n bisschen mehr oder 'n bisschen weniger. Und auch immer dadurch in den Schlagzeilen, dass es ja quasi eine Sicherheitslücke nach der anderen in WordPress gibt und da fairerweise nicht in WordPress selbst oder nicht immer in WordPress selbst, sondern sehr oft auch in den Plug ins, die es halt dafür gibt. Und das ist genau der Punkt, wo Cloudflare ansetzt und sagt, so wir bauen hier ein CMS mit 1 vollkommen neuen Plug in Architektur, nämlich nutzen sie Cloudflyer Dynamic Workers und fahren quasi für jedes Plug in einen eigenen isolierten Worker Prozess hoch, der quasi nur sehr beschränkte Berechtigung hat, also mit 'nem mit 'ner Direktive quasi verbunden ist, die dann halt nur genau diese Sachen ausführen darf, die für das Plug in erforderlich sind. Gibt's dann son sone Scope Konfiguration pro Plug in, ne, was was muss mein Plug in hier irgendwie können? Muss das, weiß nicht, Posts lesen dürfen, Posts bearbeiten dürfen, muss das auf meine User zugreifen können, auf meinen E-Mail-Messagingdienst, was auch immer. Und das wird dann alles in sonem isolated scope halt ausgeführt. Das Ganze baut son bisschen auf Astro auf. Sie nutzen quasi Astro zum Rendern und haben mit MDACH 'n eigenes CMS Backend für Astro geschrieben, weil sie halt gesagt haben, WordPress ist halt nicht mehr zeitgemäß, weil das quasi auf dieser ganzen in Anführungszeichen modernen, da da kommen die Daumen von Dennis schon hoch, weil WordPress nicht mehr zeitgemäß, weil das eben auf dieser ganzen modernen Architektur nicht mehr läuft, ja? Wenn man sich anguckt, wie viel von Wessel, Cloudflyer und so weiter halt mittlerweile so auf Serverless Infrastruktur setzen, das ist halt mit WordPress irgend 'n bisschen schwieriger, weil's halt oftmals noch am Pfeilsystem hängt et cetera et cetera und das wollten sie halt alles loswerden. So, jetzt kommen wir da son bisschen hin, wo man sagen muss, ja, technisch ist das sicherlich von der Architektur irgendwie 'n cooler Ansatz zu sagen. Wir setzen auf auf Server lässt und natürlich funktioniert das auch alles mit diesen Cloud Verdiensten ganz gut. Man kann das aber auch bei sich selber hosten, alles alles gut. Aber der eine große Knackpunkt, nämlich dieses wir bauen eine neuartige Plug in Infrastruktur, funktioniert halt nur, wenn Du's auf Cloudflare betreibst und auch nur, wenn Du kostenpflichtige Cloudflare Dienste nutzt, nämlich genau diese Dynamic Workers, das ist genau der Punkt. Das gibt es nicht in irgend 'nem Free Teer oder mit irgendwelchen Useage Caps oder so was. Das geht nur in, gibt es Cloudflair und gibt Cloudflair deine Kreditkarte und sie lassen das so oft laufen, wie's halt eben notwendig ist. Und das ist so das, wo viele dann schon sehr skeptisch draufguckt haben und gesagt haben, na ja, also was was Cloudfare im Prinzip damit baut, ist halt son eigener Market für sich. Ja, also sie sie bauen im Prinzip technisch cooles Tooling, das Du aber halt nur benutzen kannst, wenn Du noch mehr Geld bei bei Cloud verlässt am Ende des Tages. Und das, also natürlich, ne, Cloudfair, große Company, die haben natürlich 'n legitimes Interesse daran Geld zu verdienen. Das soll gar nicht, soll man ihnen gar nicht ankreiden, aber dann halt zu sagen, das ist so der Nachfolger für WordPress, was so das offene CMS schlechthin ist und dann sage ich, das läuft übrigens wirklich gut, nur auf unserer proprietären Infrastruktur, das ist halt son bisschen son bisschen schwierig. Das ist dein Aprilscherz, Moment. Ja, kann ich's noch vollziehen. Ja, ja, was heißt Aprilscherz? Also es gibt noch 2 andere Punkte, der der andere Punkt ist, ich hab's mir mal angeguckt, ich hab's bei mir mal installiert und ich hab ungefähr zweieinhalb Minuten gebraucht, um's kaputtzukriegen. Oh. Indem ich einfach Das wär ja ja. Ein ein Asset hochgeladen hab. Ein ein Bild hochgeladen hab und dann gesagt hab, ich werde gerne dieses Bild in einem Blogpost verwenden und dann ist es einfach abgeschmiert und gesagt hat, oh, ich hab meine Datenbank korruptiert und das reproduzierbar so. Also What? Hä? Was? Das war son bisschen schwierig. Dann hat das noch, ich hab mir mal son bisschen die GitHub Issues angeguckt, also es gibt irgendwie 'n paar von den APIs unterstützen doch keine Pagination und wenn Du mehr als, weiß ich nicht, 50 Blogposts veröffentlichen willst, wird es halt von der API nicht mehr mit unterstützt und so was. Also es ist einfach noch 'n sehr, sehr frühes System, so, ja. Architektur cool, produktiv würde ich das vielleicht jetzt noch nicht einsetzen. Productiv, produktiv Was ist den, was ist denn der Take von denen, dass sie, also wurde das von ihrem Marketing als WordPress Nachfolger Institut oder was was er Ja. Mächtigt sich? Ich mein, es gibt ja 10000 CMS da draußen, die tendenziell versuchen Spirit, nein. Das ist schon Ihr Branding zu sagen, das das ist das neue Wordpress jetzt. Was hast Du jetzt gesagt grade? Ach so. Also der Okay. Das heißt Was vielleicht auch dazu konkret haben Ja, ich bin der geistige Nachfolger von Jesus so. Das stimmt. Das würde ich dir mal davon gezeigt, weil irgendwas andere als irgendein große große Bild Das würde was für jedes Recht noch kommen. Ja, stimmt. Woran sich das vielleicht noch zeigt, ja, ist vielleicht jetzt nicht unbedingt in der technischen Reife, aber weil sie halt sagen, sie haben versucht viel konzeptionell von WordPress zu übernehmen. Wenn Du dir das Admin, sieht es auch erschreckend ähnlich dem Mhm. Zu WordPress, ja? Wie sie Seiten aufbauen und strukturieren, wie sie Blogposts machen, wie sie Assets handeln, das ist alles sehr, sehr ähnlich zu WordPress und der Grund, warum sie das machen, ist ist 2 Punkte. Zum einen, weil sie natürlich sagen, wir wollen den die Migration für Leute einfacher machen, ja, die weil viele WordPress Nutzer sind jetzt ja nicht grade technische Nutzer*innen so, ja, und die sollen sich da direkt wohlfühlen. Aber und jetzt kommt der Kicker, sie wollen das besonders für Agents einfach machen zu migrieren, ja, also wenn Du dir MDAh aufsetzt, kriegst Du auch direkt eine Agents MD, eine Cloud MD, Du kriegst Skills irgendwie mit, Du kriegst CLI Handling irgendwie dafür mit, ja, dass Du halt relativ einfach sagen kannst, deinem Agent, hier ist meine Wordpress Seite, bau die doch mal jetzt in diesem m-dash-Set-up nach. So, ja, und deshalb versuchen sie sich da halt sehr nah dran zu halten. Dass natürlich WordPress nicht nur von WordPress lebt, sondern von diesem riesigen Ökosystem an Plug ins, an Themes, an hast Du alles nicht gesehen drumherum, ja? Und dass dir natürlich alles fehlt, das versuchen sie halt genau dadurch auszugleichen, dass sie sagen, na ja, wir liefern dir 'n Skill mit, custom Plugins zu schreiben. Wenn's dein Plug in nicht gibt, sag halt deinem Agent, er soll's dir bauen, ja? Wenn's dein Theme nicht gibt, sag halt deinem Agent, er soll's dir irgendwie nachbauen so. Da muss man dann mal schauen, wie gut das halt wirklich alles funktioniert, aber zumindest die Grundlagen sind halt irgendwie da, ja. Gefühlt ist das halt so der Nachfolger für WordPress, wenn man auf Cloudfair unterwegs ist so, ne. Also es klingt ja schon so, als wär's sinnvoll, das zu nutzen, wenn man auf dieser Infrastruktur ist, aber das, also Na ja, kannst Du auch 'n anderes Thema nutzen, oder? Ja, aber wenn's halt für die Infrastruktur optimiert ist, dann find das schon, also wär's doch irgendwie 'n No Brainer, oder? Ja, aber ich glaube nicht, dass 50 Prozent des Internets auf Cloudferien. Nein, nein, auf, nee, nee, nee, auf gar keinen Fall. Also ich glaube nicht, dass das wirklich der Nachfolger für WordPress wird. Das ist unwahrscheinlich. Aber ne, mit dem, wenn Du da anhängen würdest, der Nachfolger für WordPress in Cloudflare. Baby. Baby. Trotzdem schlechtes Marketing. Aber das ist ja nur noch mal zusammengefasst, das heißt die 2 Hauptbeweggründe waren einmal dieses Security Issues durch die Plugins und zweitens bisschen mehr Gentic Readiness. Das sind bisschen mehr Gentic Readiness, bisschen besseres Security Handling und 'n bisschen besser auf so moderne States Infrastruktur vorbereitet, ne. Mhm. Ja. Ja, ja. Letzter letzter Funfact am Ende, so, warum wisst ihr, was MDAh heißt? Ja, ich hab Ja, jetzt bin ich ganz wer kann das erklären? Ich denke, das ist der, ist das nicht der lange Unterstrich und das ist, was die Agenten so viel machen? Das wär meine Ja und und wie wie heißt dieser lange Unterstrich auf Deutsch? Gedankenstrich. Der Sommer Unterstrich? Der Gedanken nicht in euch? Nicht in der lange Strich. Gedankenstrich oder nicht? Da heißt Getriebe. Ah okay, klär uns auf. Nein, ich, das, weil wir sehen grade halt 'n lustiges mit so Skateboards und das ist, es wurde zwar M-Dash. Sorry. Also ich hab dachte auch wie Dennis, ne M-Dash, da musste ich immer daran denken, dass es so populär geworden ist, weil die Agents das ja irgendwie so hart verwenden und das ist ja dieser Strich, den man tippen kann, wenn man nicht das Minus tippt, sondern diesen etwas längeren Strich. Und dann bin ich in son Wikipedia Rabbit Hall gefallen und hab gelesen, wo das irgendwie alles herkommt. Und der Strich ist deshalb so lang, weil er im Prinzip noch aus der Buchdruckzeit kommt, da als diese ganzen Characters noch so einzeln gesetzt wurden mit einzelnen Bleistempeln und der m-dash im Prinzip genauso lang wie breit war, also nein genauso lang wie hoch. Also diese ganzen Stempel waren quadratisch, ja und der M-Dash war quasi genau die volle Länge dieses Stempels irgendwie ausgenutzt. Vollkommen wild und deshalb heißen heute im Jahr 20 26 CMS Systeme so wie der Buchdruck von vor 400 Jahren. Nein, das hat doch noch 'n anderen Grund. Aber Gedankenstrich ist doch richtig, oder die deutsche Übersetzung? Da da muss jetzt mal Vanessa fragen oder sowas. Aber es gibt es gibt doch 'n NDash, das ist nur die Hälfte davon. Okay. Aber Genau, es gibt diesen Geviertstrich, es gibt diesen doppelt Geviertstrich und sowas an High 5. Heißt Du aber, guck mal auf diesem Bild von Wordpress, nee, Moment, von Cloudfair ist ja noch 'n m drauf mit dem Dash drüber. Und das ist das Genau so mal nach 'nem. Das wird doch noch 'n anderen Grund haben. Das sieht das aus. Also das ist ja wahrscheinlich der Gedankenstrich, deswegen, weil man immer m sagt. Und das haben sie halt der Buchdruck irgendwann gemacht mit 'nem Strich statt und deswegen heißt das Muss Wenn man das Weil die so reagieren, wenn Du fragst so, warum habt ihr das gemacht? Muss man das auch immer vorlesen, wenn man das in einen Text liest. Genau. So. Eigentlich schon. Genau wie bei Erschöpft, ja. Genau so wie bei So hättest Du das doch nicht geschrieben, aber ja. Jan Gregor Getriebe. Okay. Also ich würd sagen, Gareth mach mal weiter und erzählt uns was zu d n update. Also oh Gott, oh Gott, oh Gott, was was 'n geisteskranker Übergang. Ah, Jan, Du viset einfach, Du bist die Maschine. M DN, also M DN sagt euch was oder? M DN, schon mal gehört? Microsoft Developer Network. Richtig. Fast. Okay, jetzt musst Du mich aufklären, was heißt das dann eigentlich? Markt der deutschen Notenbank. Genau das. Also MDN hat ja, sage ich mal, eine sehr große Website, wo sie die Webstandards Dokumentieren. Dokumentieren und auch bisschen so anlernen, also sie haben auch sehr viele Lernfeatures drin und sie haben einen sehr coolen Blogpost darüber geschrieben, wirklich sehr empfehlenswert, weil ich kann gar nicht in alles reingehen, was sie da schreiben, wie sie ihre Webseite refaxtert haben im Prinzip. Und kurz gesagt sind sie, haben sie 2 Dinge gemacht, sie sind von react auf web Componice gegangen und es ist sehr cool, wie gut sie da beschreiben, was die Gründe dafür waren und was das für Probleme gefixt hat. Und es ist wenn man diesen Artikel gelesen hat, hat man echt das Gefühl, okay, diese Entscheidung waren irgendwie alle sinnvoll und jetzt ist es deutlich besser und ich verstehe auch warum. Also, genau, lest lest den Blogartikel, ist meine Empfehlung. Das Zweite, was Sie gemacht haben, ist im Prinzip Server selber nachzubauen, weil Sie eben eine sehr spezifische Variante davon brauchten und das deutlich sina gemacht haben. Und es hat eben zu verschiedenen Verbesserungen geführt, einerseits die Webseite deutlich performanter geworden. Es ist wesentlich einfacher geworden für sie, diese Webseite zu pflegen, weil sie eben natürlich einerseits die Website gebaut hatten und dann ganz viele Content Creator hatten, die diese Dokumentation geschrieben haben und das war wohl auf beiden Seiten riesiges HackMac, das richtig gut hinzubekommen, vor allen Dingen, weil sie auch interaktive Lernelemente drin hatten. Das wurde alles sehr, sehr kompliziert über die Zeit und das haben sie geschafft in der Größe, die sie haben, deutlich zu vereinfachen. Und ich fand's einfach cool zu sehen, wie sie das gemacht haben, was sie für Gedanken hatten, was sie für Probleme hatten und wie sie das gelöst haben. Ich glaube, viel tiefer will ich gar nicht reingehen, weil es sich einfach lohnt, diesen Artikel zu lesen, weil das so gut beschrieben ist. Und was ich vielleicht noch irgendwie cool fand, war zu sehen, okay, das sind natürlich die Leute, die den Webstandard extrem gut kennen, weil sie irgendwie an 'ner Webseite arbeiten, der das so drin hat. Und sie haben auch sehr viel davon genutzt, also sie sprechen sehr viel darüber, okay, wir haben viele sehr, sehr neue Dinge benutzt, aber vieles davon ist mittlerweile auch schon Whitely Baseline, wird aber zum Beispiel von React oder so teilweise noch gar nicht verwendet. Also zum Beispiel die Shadow DOM Sachen, die Web Componits nutzen, Web Componits überhaupt. Ich fand's einfach cool zu sehen, dass sie Expertise in diesen Dingen hatten und die dann auch klug eingesetzt haben, sehr viel Performance für ihr Produkt oder ihre Webseite rauszuholen und das fand ich cool zu sehen, dass sie so von React weggehen und eher so in diese, ja, in ihre Expertise eigentlich reingehen und für mich ist das eigentlich schon länger 'n Thema, ob überhaupt noch Frameworks auch in der AI Welt so relevant sind oder so sinnvoll und nicht viel mehr Richtung Web Components gehen sollte, weil son Standard einfach langlebiger ist, robuster ist. Und ich fand's cool zu sehen, dass Sie das gemacht haben und sehr happy damit waren. Ja. Also da hat natürlich auch, das spielt wahrscheinlich auch rein, dass Mozilla halt son eigenes Interesse auch hat, ne, Web Componants zu pushen, weil es natürlich ihre, also ihrem Browser die Arbeit leichter macht am Ende des Tages auch. Aber ist cool, dass es halt son cooler proof ist, dass es halt einfach gut funktioniert. Voll. Und wie Du sagst, es liest sich ja auch schon sinnvoll so. Also hätten sie jetzt nicht gemacht, nur das machen deswegen. Nee, es hat sich an allen Stellen verbessert. Performance, Developmentability, Maintenability, also es ist eigentlich alles besser geworden. Ja. Und es ist auch gut zu sehen, ja, wie Sie's Also es ist son Engineering Artikel eigentlich für mich, weil Sie so einfach gute Lösungen für spezifische Probleme gefunden haben und das ist einfach geil irgendwie. Dafür steht übrigens dann auch am DN. Mozilla. Maintenability, devellabilability, Nightmode. Das? Nightmode. Geil, Nightmode. Ja. War eigentlich die richtige Auflösung Jan? Mozilla. Das hab ich doch. Du hast 'n Microsoft verfolgt. Ja, sag ich doch. Ja. Das war das andere Microsoft. Das andere Microsoft. Wie heißt immer die, die bei Microsoft arbeitet? Julia. Grüße Ja. Ja. Okay. Ist Microsoft. Spick auf Menschen. Dennis, erzähl uns was zu Menschen in Json Dokumenten. Ja, das ist, also irgendjemand hat 'n Link gepostet in unserem News Channel und ich hatte noch kein Thema und dann hab ich gesagt, okay, und irgendwann hattest Du sogar gesagt, das ist auch was für Dennis wahrscheinlich, weil irgendwie was mit AI zu tun hatte. Nee, ich hab das gesagt. Ich hab das gesagt. Nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee Protokoll, das nennt sich Human Punkt Jason. Und die Problematik, die dort erkannt wird, ist, dass immer mehr Teile des Internets aus AI SLP bestehen und halt keiner mehr seine Sachen irgendwie richtig selbst schreibt. Und dieses Protokoll sollte aber unterstützen, praktisch zu verifizieren, dass Content noch von Menschen gemacht ist, indem und das ist halt irgendwie dann halt auch wieder so Social proof, indem man halt irgendwie sagt, okay, also zum einen selbst deklariert, ey, ich, das ist menschengeschrieben, was hier auf dieser Seite passiert und dafür gibt's dann halt son Marktdown oder die halt diese JSON, in der man das dann deklarieren kann, dass das so ist und dann gibt's halt noch son System, wo man praktisch so sagen kann, ungleichzeitig sage ich auch noch diese und diese Seite ist auch von Menschen gemacht und gibt da praktisch diesen diesen Proof und dadurch entsteht sonen sonen Graph aus diesen Verknüpfungen und je mehr Verknüpfungen praktisch dich verifizieren und so, ach, Du bist auch ein Mensch, der das schreibt, desto höher wird dein desto höher wird dein Score, der sagt, wie menschlich Du noch bist. Nicht wie menschlich Du noch bist, wie sicher es ist, dass Du als Menschshot schreibst. Genau und da gibt's dann tatsächlich einen, ja, einen einen Chrome und sonstige Plug ins, wo Du das halt angezeigt bekommst, wo Du eine kleine Ampel ist so, wie safe ist es, dass hier Menschen arbeiten. Mhm. Ja, so schön, so gut. Das wars auch. Jetzt kommt der Rant. Super. Das heißt der Rant, ich ich halte es für Zinnigen Quatsch, muss ich sagen. Also erstens halte ich's für Quatsch, dass ich das also oder halte ich's so unwahrscheinlich, dass ich das durchsetzt, weil so viele Leute gar nicht das Interesse daran haben. Und dann muss ich ganz ehrlich sagen, also geht's nicht am Ende die Qualität? Also ich hab doch nicht so viel davon, das jetzt sagen zu können, okay, das war jetzt auf jeden Fall ein Mensch, der das geschrieben hat. Ich muss doch irgendwie die Qualität davon beurteilen und wenn das halt jemand ist, dem ich schon lange folge und irgendwann fängt der an und die Artikel hören sich alle gleich an und überall sind nur Gedankenstriche drin, Dann kann ich halt aufhören, dann kann ich halt aufhören, das zu lesen oder mir zu denken, okay, das ist kein guter Inhalt, aber Ja. Geht's nicht. Und und wenn jetzt da eine ist, die genau in dem gleichen Ton, laut dem gleichen Ste, genau in den gleichen Informationstiefe wie die Quelle, die Du gerne hattest, schreibst so, warum interessiert dich das, dass das von der AI geschrieben wurde? Wenn es auch gesteuert ist und davon. Und also ich ich ich weiß, gerade Du hast hoffentlich eine andere Meinung. Ich lege da irgendwie nicht so viel Wert drin, Vor allen Dingen das so zu, ja, das dann noch so zu deklarieren und so. Also das ist jetzt 'n Gütesiegel für, das wurde noch von Menschen gemacht. Also ich geborene dir recht, dass es am Ende die Qualität des Artikels geht. Ich glaube, es ist son bisschen wie bei Code auch. Also wenn ich praktisch Code von 'nem Menschen lese, dann hab ich bestimmte, wie sagt man, ich kann von Dingen ausgehen, die ich, von denen ich nicht ausgehen kann, wenn das von 'ner AI kommt. Und ich glaub, das ist in Artikeln für mich ähnlich. Also dass, wenn da eine Meinung drinsteht zum Beispiel, weiß ich, dass das dann wirklich die Meinung von diesem Menschen ist oder ist es unter Umständen von 'ner AI und vielleicht auch gar nicht überprüft? Also es sind einfach, kommen mehr Fragezeichen mit, wenn ich weiß, das hat eine AI geschrieben, die ich nicht hätte, wenn ich weiß, das hat die Person selber geschrieben und ich glaube Ich find, würdest Du nicht zumindest davon ausgehen, dass die also besonders überprüft, vielleicht nicht. Genau, vielleicht hätte ich ja auch 'n falsches Bild von Blogs oder sonstige Sachen, die da gelesen werden. Also Na ja. Am Ende werden's, ja. Mhm. Du kannst, also ich weiß nicht, wenn ich 'n Blogartikel hätte und eine AI, die meinen Ton hat und ich einfach sage, hey, schreib mal 'n Artikel über dieses Thema und keine Ahnung, ich hab nicht so viel Zeit und ich hab das aber schon 'n paarmal gemacht und hab da Vertrauen drin, veröffentliche den, aber hab ihn nicht mehr geprüft. Also ich kann's mir halt vorstellen in der Welt, wo viel RA Content passiert. Okay und dann gibt's Leute, die vertrauen, Gareth Mog einfach so, dass sie den hat hier gelesen und dann denken, okay, hier ist der Gareth gesagt, also glaube ich das jetzt und am Ende hat's einfach nur eine RRI gemacht oder ist das, was was richtig ist. Wollte ich, na, aber wollte ich grad sagen, weil das wird ja in keiner Form irgendwie verifiziert, oder? Du kannst ja was sagen, ja, ich hab dieses Human Punkt Json so. Ja. Oder kannst dir trotzdem alles a I generated auf deiner Website lassen. Genau, aber das Ding ist ja das Aber es geht ja nicht deine Human Json. Stimmt. Es geht ja das, was die anderen in ihre Human Json beschreiben. Das ist ja son Proxy Trust Network Ding. Aber ich mein, auch das ist natürlich super, also wie wie ist das aktuell gehalten, ist natürlich auch die Frage. Also ich mein, wenn Du heute noch 'n schönen Artikel geschrieben hast, kannst Du ja morgen anfangen AI zu machen. Man hast irgendwie schon 3 Human Referenzen, die da sind. Also ich glaub auch, dass ich Also ich find's mir irgendwie, ist 'n ganz nettes Gedankenspiel. Aber also in dem in dem Protokoll steht da drin, wann Du dafür gewouch hast, ne, und dann kannst Du ja schon irgendwie sagen, ältere Vouches werden weniger account als irgendwie neuere oder so was. Was was ich, was mir son bisschen fehlt, ist so die Granularität, weil das ist halt sehr schwarz oder weiß. So, benutzt Du halt AI oder halt nicht. Und da ist ja alles drin von dem, was Du grade beschrieben hast mit, ich ich prompte hier die Artikel zusammen, weil ich keine Zeit hab. Aber was ist, wenn jemand so so diesen Grammerly Modus einfach nur nutzt, ne? Ich hab das ja schon zu 99 Prozent geschrieben, aber ich bin halt ich bin kein Native Speaker, lass doch noch mal drüber schauen, kannst Du mir bei der ein oder anderen Formulierung helfen. Wo fällt das halt irgendwie alles rein? Und das, finde ich, ist halt son bisschen schwierig dann. Weil es gibt ja schon vielleicht legitime Use Cases selbst für Leute, die jetzt komplett AI generierten Content irgendwie ablehnen. Gut, Sie schreiben am Anfang, Und ich mein, wenn da steht, dann schließt das meine Art nicht aus, dass Du einnullst, deine Grammatik zu korrigieren. Aber ja, ich würde aber trotzdem mit Dennis mitgehen, mit der ersten Annahme so, wenn's halt, also es wird ja auch explizit grade gesagt so, Wenn's kacke ist, also geht die auch nie mehr drauf, dann hat es auch keinen Traffic so. Und denk mir so, wenn's aber mal geil gemacht ist und es Oh. Weiß nicht, ne? Ja. Also das ist so. Verdient schon viel Geld im Moment. Das kann man nicht bestreiten. Ja, aber dann aber dann genau und dann hat's doch irgendwie 'n Markt und dann ist es auch absolut fein. Also ich ich referenzier hier wieder meinen Katzenpodcast an der Stelle. Jan, Du feierst das auch so. Der der Podcast, der ist halt megageil, ist halt auch ey, ich würd's aber nicht sloppen nennen, weil's halt also es ist AI gut benutzt. Ja, so. Es hat, ich würd's auch nicht sloppen nehmen, weil's halt 'n bestimmten Use Case hat. Es soll halt entertained, aber wenn part dystes Content ist, der so wirkt, als wäre er ein, keine Ahnung, fundierter, vielleicht wissenschaftlicher Artikel, aber ist es nicht, dann ist es schon anstrengend sozusagen, selbst entscheiden zu müssen, ist das jetzt Lob oder real? Und da Ich mein, das ist eigentlich ganz nice. Ist das nicht bei, also bei Zeitungsartikeln, die Du bis jetzt gelesen hast? Ich mein, dann hast Du unterschiedliche Das ist das Genau, also ja, aber Du hast unterschiedliche Zeitungen so und die haben einen unterschiedlichen politischen Background meistens. Die sind irgendwie gefärbt von irgendeiner Sache so. Das ist doch auch etwas, was Du mit der Zeit irgendwie aufnimmst und dich entweder an den Mädchen orientiert, die in deinem Stil schreiben oder eine andere Brille aufzunehmen. Also ich mein, auch da steht ja jetzt nicht Vorsicht eingefärbt vor 'nem CDU Bild oder keine Ahnung was so. Also ist es nicht auch schon überall, dass wir diesen Skill haben müssen, irgendwie über den Variationen umzugehen und sie kritisch zu hinterfragen und nur weil da jetzt dran steht, oh, Human war dahinter, das bringt mir relativ wenig. Das verstehe, also gefühlt war dieses Argument oder der Vergleich eher 'n Pro Argument dafür, dass das gut wär für mich, weil wenn ich jetzt die Bild lese, weiß ich, was ich erwarte, so, weil es halt die Bild ist. Und wenn da stehen würde, keine Ahnung, das ist das AR Magazin, dann weiß ich, okay, das sind AR Artikel, dann würde mich das jetzt nicht hindern, das zu lesen, aber ich hätte 'n anderen Kontext beim Lesen, der mir helfen würde, das auch einzuordnen, einzuschätzen, anders zu hinterfragen, kritisch hin zu hinterfragen. Und selbst im Presserecht gibt es ja so Sachen, wo Du sagen musst, ne, das ist 'n paid Editorial, das ist irgendwie eine Meldung, die haben wir ausm Presserticker 1 zu 1 übernommen. Also da gibt es ja auch son paar Analogien, Inhalte einzuordnen. Ja. Ich glaube, es sind auch sehr unterschiedliche Use Cases, ne. Ist es dazu da, jetzt 'n Artikel, der ohne Human Overside irgendwie erstellt wurde oder ist es 'n Blogartikel von der Person, die vielleicht erstellt, also ne, es gibt, ich sag mal, unterschiedliche Situationen, wo es mir wichtiger wäre oder weniger wichtig, sagen wir jetzt mal. Weil der ey könnte auch irgendwie 'n 'n Paper schreiben, das so aussieht wie 'n Paper, irgend eine Webseite machen, wo das hochgeladen wird. Das sieht alles richtig aus, aber ist totaler Quatsch und da ist vielleicht 'n böser Wille dahinter? Ich weiß es nicht, also da findest Du essenziell Ja, auch das ist ja irgendwo auch jetzt schon überall existent. Also ich mein, dass Du überall verarscht wirst und da irgendwelche Sachen draufgeschrieben werden, das ist doch jetzt auch schon so. Jetzt ist es halt aber einfacher und noch viel mehr Masse davon. Woher ist das nicht so viel passiert? Ja. Aber es hat schon eine gewisse Ironie, dass wir hier im Podcast zusammensitzen in Person und darüber diskutieren, wie wichtig es ist, dass irgendwie Content von Menschen kommt oder halt nicht so. Also wer weiß, wer denn die Diskussion noch führen können? Geht's jetzt darum, uns als Katzen Wir, wir werden ja auch bald durch HR ersetzt so. Ich würd drüber viel zu viel Content von unseren Stimmen. Ich sag nee, nee Moment, meine Aussage ist nicht Dennis baut Studio aus, Alter. Sorry. Meine Aussage ist ja nicht, es es braucht keinen menschlichen Content mehr so. Ich glaub nur, dass die Klassifizierung das nämlich unbedingt braucht. True. Ja. Ironischerweise sind wahrscheinlich die LLM Anbieter am meisten daran interessiert zu wissen, was menschlicher Content ist, weil das natürlich für Trainingsdaten, das ist 'n ganz wichtiges. Oh mein Gott, da bin ich das eigentlich da. Alle gedribbelt, alle gedribbelt. Na ja, aber ich wünsche diesem Andreas Kurtberg viel Erfolg damit. Ach nee, das ist ja die Plattform. Wo ist die Plattform bergen. Gut, da steht aber der Name von dem Typen. Ja. Nein, Beto Doll, der Dealmeid. Oh sorry, der hat sogar auf seiner Webseite, wie man ihn phonetisch ausspricht. Warte ganz kurz. Garelt Mog. Beto, die Omayda, ja. Die. Oh, Beto, die Du weißt. Die Du weißt son geiler Hack irgendwie. Ja. Aber was ist eure Meinung dazu? Schreibt's in die Kommentare, aktiviert die Glocke und folgt uns jetzt. Folgt rein. Stimmt, das können wir jetzt sagen, Alter, geil. Oh, vor allen Dingen, wenn wir die live, die Phänomenal. Ja, man. Nee, aber also Keine Ergänzung meinerseits, ich glaube jetzt rum. Spotify, bla bla. Weil Gackelt hat noch was. Oh, da ganz vergessen Speaking euch auch Content. Ich hab nur noch eine Minute Leute, wir müssen. Damit aber ganz schnell. Chrome hat eine neue Policy zum zur Back Button Nutzung eingeführt und zwar ist es ja so, dass es Webseiten gibt, die Malware, okay, sagen wir's anders. Wenn Du auf eine Webseite gehst und dann denkst Du, oh, die ist trap und Du drückst zurück und Du kommst nicht zurück. Wie fühlst Du dich dabei? Ich bin 'n iOS Nutzer, ich hab keine Ahnung, wie ich fühle, verarscht. Verarsch. Oh ja, ja, ja, ja, genau, das wollte ich sagen. Das passiert aber auch unter iOS. Es passiert auch unter iOS, weil das hat ja nichts, das hat ja was mit der Website zu tun. Das kannst Du auch auf Safarin machen. Oh, ich weiß, was Du meinst. Ja, okay. Das ist dieses Ich fühl verarscht. Ich weiß gar nicht, wie man das nennt, dieses Back Button. High Checking heißt es nicht. High Checking. High Checking. Danke. Und das ist schwer technisch zu verhindern so, weil Du kannst es, es gibt ja sehr valide Use Cases für dieses diese Funktionalität und was Chrome eben jetzt gesagt hat, ist, dass sie das in ihre Policy aufgenommen hat, dass das Malware ist, wenn Du das machst. Oh. Das heißt, was sie einfach damit dadurch machen können, ist, wenn sie feststellen, dass das passiert, können sie das Ranking in Google verändern. Also das ist eigentlich alles, was passiert, wenn Du das machst und Google bekommt das mit, dann wirst Du schlechter gerankt. Das heißt, sie haben jetzt alle dazu eingeladen, sagen wir mal, das auszubauen aus ihrer Webseite. Ja. Und haben ihnen auch irgendwie 2 Monate Zeit gegeben dafür, genau. Aber in Zukunft ist es zumindest so, dass Du auf Google, wenn Du auf Google unterwegs bist, hoffentlich weniger von diesen Webseiten kriegen solltest. Mhm. Moment, aber auch die validen Use Cases, also keiner darf das mehr machen, oder? Nee, nee, nee, die also die validen sind schon okay, also es geht So was und die versuchen das zu unterscheiden einfach. Ja genau. Sowas valides ist doch diese Redirect Sachen oder sowas irgendwie oder? Daran hab ich jetzt gerade gedacht oder hab ich den News Case gerade falsch im Kopf? Ja oder dass Du vielleicht noch mal sone Abfrage machst so, hey, Du hast grad ungespeicherte Änderungen oder sowas. Dass es so was bestimmte Situationen gibt, wo Du das wirklich Ja. Sinnvoll einsetzt. Ja. Ja, find ich gut, weil mich nervt das, dass son Problem im Internet was irgendwie nicht gelöst ist. Verstehst aber auch, dass das technisch schwierig ist. Ja. Policy klingt richtig, aber fix ist natürlich einfach nicht überall. Ja, wenn Du nutzt, ist halt immer noch. So, wie die sogar auch. Boah, bars. Ich ich ich pflanz Bäume damit. Wie kannst Du das nennen? Na ja, eben. Na, Dünger? Dünger? Spenn ich lieber Bäume. Machst Du's denn? Ich such lieber meine Bäume zusammen. Ich mach das wie geil. Nein, ich hab sie gepflanzt sogar. Ja, es stimmt. Selbst bei engen Nuss beim Nussum. Oh, aber stimmt. Darf ich auch Lass mal drüber fahren. Einen Moment aufm Monstertrakt, der der dem Auto meinst Du. Alle. Lass Du reine Bäume. Entschuldigung, ja. Ich wollte sagen, lass mal hinfahren mitm Fahrrad und gucken, wie's unsere Wald geht. Ach ja, rüberfahren. Rüberfahren. Bis drüber. Mit dem Rad hinfahren. Mit dem Rad, damit wir keinen Sprit verschwinden. Rad. Du bist so, Du bist so ökologisch so unterwegs, dass wir beim Rad hinfahren wollen. Ja, ja, deswegen mein ich's ja. Ja. Gut, Abmoderation, Jan. Okay, lass uns mal anmoderation. Es gibt nicht mehr viel abzumoderieren, das ist schon fertig hier am Ende, glaub ich. Wenn ihr Fragen, Anmerkungen, Kritik habt, dann kommt immer gerne auf unser Discord Server, hinterlasst uns einen Kommentar auf allen möglichen Social Media Kanälen. Warum zeigen alle auf Dave? Weil sie eine E-Mail mit Dave schreiben sollen. Dick an Dave. Dick geht an mich. Ach so. Lob einmal an Dave at Programmierungen. Und ich beantworte alles. Schweiz gewissermaßen oder? Nee. Mit AI. Das sagt der AI. Bei mir ist Human Jason vorhanden, aber ich lass es nicht davon. Dann sehr schön, dass ich heute doch noch dabei sein konnte und wir hören uns Find ich's schön. Wochen wieder traurig an deiner Stelle. Dennis hat sogar für Jan geheult, by the way. Ich hab gesehen. Ich hab also ich hab mich auch richtig geärgert, dass mein Flug gecancelt wurde, aber ich hab's beste draus gemacht, nämlich die Zeit mit euch verbracht. Oh, ja. Und was was ist schöner als das? Was ist schöner als das? Ja, so ist es. Nichts aufzählen und nichts aufzählen. Und bis dahin. Tschau, tschau. Tschüssi, macht's gut. Schöne Woche im 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0: Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen Woche in der Programmierbau, heute schon in Kalenderwoche 26. Wir haben eine sehr vollgepackte Sendung und für alle, die das Video sehen, die sehen, dass wir ein neues Studio haben, das ebenfalls sehr vollgepacktes mit Dennis, Dave\n\nSpeaker 1: Hi.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und Garet.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wann war ich dachte, wir stellt uns selbst vor.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, das ist\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ich das hat sich jetzt so angeboten, weil ihr da alle so auf dem Präsentierteller saß.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber das ist schon aber das ist schon interessant, weil Du hast Dennis, Dave, Garet gesagt. Also Du bist nach irgendwie gar keinem Schema vorgegangen. Also Ja, ich hab\n\nSpeaker 0: mit Dennis angefangen, weil Dennis für mich in der Mitte, also so wie das Video bei mir ist, mit der Mitfragen, jetzt fängt\n\nSpeaker 1: ja wieder einmal der der mittleren, die Ecke in der\n\nSpeaker 0: Mitte, mittlere Ecke.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das Problem wollen wir doch einiges Sorgen. Oh, jetzt ist es wieder.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und dann\n\nSpeaker 0: darf ich irgendwie so Mist, ich muss alphabetisch weitermachen, also a erst Dave und dann Cari und dann war's vorbei, aber irgendwie alles. Okay. Ja, ist aber wirklich vorbei. Ja. Wir haben nicht nur ein vollgepacktes Studio, sondern auch eine vollgepackt Agenda.\n\nWir wollen sprechen über HTML und Canvas, über neue CMS Systeme von Cloud Player, über MDN, über Menschen in JSON Dokumenten und Garet hat noch was zum Google Ranking, Searchindex, wie auch immer mitgebracht. Ich dachte, bevor wir hier einmal kurz deine Themen anfangen, Oh. Heijack ich das hier kurz, einmal zu sagen, es war megacool aufm letzten Meet-up, oder? Also ich fand's ultrakrass, wie viele Leute da\n\nSpeaker 1: Boah ey.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich gebuchter Weltmeister.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich war krank.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ah, da ist es sehr.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, aber es war wirklich krass, Guddelt oder? Krass, dass also wie krass Du das verpassen hast?\n\nSpeaker 1: Na ja, tatsächlich, also ja. Weißt Du wie viele Leute da waren?\n\nSpeaker 3: Ja, über 90. Genau. Aber das wär ja auch mein Plädoyer immer, dass wir das endlich mal anfangen zu streamen einfach online.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das ist 'n guter Punkt. Hab ich ja auch drüber nachgedacht, wenn wir jetzt genug Leute haben und nicht mehr die Angst haben, dass die Leute dann zu faul sind und zu Hause sitzen bleiben, sondern halt genießen, dass sie hier sind, leckeres Essen bekommen miteinander networken, dann können wir auch den Podcasthörer*innen das zugängliche machen, entweder einen Livestream davon haben.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Das also zumindest ist das CMS ja auch schon aufgesetzt, dass wir die Aufnahme einfach hochladen können am Ende und die dann hier erscheint auf der Meet up Seite. Das geht, wir haben\n\nSpeaker 1: noch Youtube und so weiter, wir sind doch technologisch, geht alles. Wir müssen auf Play drücken.\n\nSpeaker 2: Alles da. Ja. Aber zu deiner Frage, Jan, es war wirklich crazy. Also superviel los, ist richtig gute Speakerin. Die Leute waren motiviert.\n\nEs war einfach 'n sehr, sehr cooler Abend.\n\nSpeaker 3: Wie hast Du die Motivation gemerkt?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich hab mit den Leuten geredet und sie waren sehr hyped. Wahrscheinlich lag's auch 'n bisschen an mir, dass ich hoch hyped hab, aber So gut,\n\nSpeaker 3: sei gut. Du warst hyped.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich war mega hyped. Das war, nee, das war wirklich, das war wirklich, es war wirklich sehr schön.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nein, ich mein, ich find das spannend. Wir reden ja manchmal darüber, ne, wie sehr sich unser Newsformat ändern wird, weil wir jetzt im Moment noch AI News und andere News getrennt haben und vielleicht wird ja dann irgendwie keine Ahnung, wenn halt alles AI ist, dann macht's auch nicht mehr Sinn über das nächste Bann Update zu reden sozusagen und sehr spannend war halt an diesem Abend, weil es ja auch ein AI Thema war einfach so zu sehen, wie unterschiedlich noch die Leute drauf sind. Also ne Leute, die kamen, meinten boah, irgendwie hab ich das Gefühl, ich hab das bis jetzt son bisschen verpennt, eigentlich hab ich noch nicht groß was damit gemacht. Ja, echt. Und andere, die halt so sagen ne und da also das geht halt krass auseinander im Moment so.\n\nSpeaker 2: Da da war halt sone Babbele. Da hatte\n\nSpeaker 1: ich auch das Gefühl, dass man aber trotzdem die Leute echt motiviert hat auch. Also es gab wenige, die dann gesagt haben, ich will immer noch nichts davon hören, sondern es war auch für viele, glaube ich, tatsächlich 'n Anstoß sich jetzt doch noch mal mehr damit beschäftigen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber ich glaub einfach noch mal Hands on, was gesehen hat und dacht sich, oh, okay, das sind so die Möglichkeiten damit. So, ich glaub, die sich damit nicht auseinandergesetzt haben, wissen auch gar nicht, was eigentlich alles möglich ist. Also, was ich immer noch krass finde im Jahr 2026 so, aber\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Und Du hörst natürlich auch irgendwo halt dann auch die realen Use Case, wenn man mit Leuten berät ist. Ich glaube, das gibt ja auch noch mal 'n Proof, wenn Du halt nicht auf LinkedIn so, so, so, Du Entrepreneur und ich hab jetzt alles in einem Wochenende eine Weile bekordeet, sondern\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, und das ganze\n\nSpeaker 1: Team sich umstrukturieren und und anfangen, anders zu arbeiten, Ja. Das ist ja dann schon irgendwie auch noch 'n gewisser Social Proof sozusagen, den man von dem man bekommen kann durch son Meeting. Ja. So. Also dadurch, dass ihr jetzt mal remote darüberschaltet, das hat ja gar keine Möglichkeit, hier unser Gespräch vor Ort zu unterbrechen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Doch, ich kann einfach wegmuten, so, das ist so schwierig. Aber wir hören\n\nSpeaker 2: uns ja immer noch. So, wir hören uns ja immer noch gegen Ist\n\nSpeaker 0: egal, die Aufnahme hört euch nicht mehr am Ende. Ja, okay, true. Ja. Ja, also war war megacool. Nächstes Meet-up, einundzwanzigster Mai.\n\nFür alle, die's jetzt verpasst haben, Angel Garelt, die können dann am einundzwanzigsten Mai wieder am Start sein.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ich bin in Elternzeit.\n\nSpeaker 2: Nein, er ist weg. Oh man.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber da darf man ja trotzdem abends was trinken gehen, Garelt.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ich bin auf Reisen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Er ist komplett weg. Er ist komplett weg. Na dann musst Du hoffen, dass Dennis bis dahin den Stream eingerichtet hat.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, das wär gut. Boah, Challenge bis dahin, wenn Du's nicht schaffst, dann musst Du irgendwas machen?\n\nSpeaker 1: An mir liegt's nicht. Okay. Also wirklich. Das kannst Du draufdrücken und streamen auf Youtube. Okay, dann\n\nSpeaker 2: let's go.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ich hab aber vielleicht, haben wir noch Zeit für noch 'n Auftopic? Ja, ah\n\nSpeaker 2: ja, ja. Und ich hab\n\nSpeaker 3: ich hab überlegt, wenn ich's dann in Elternzeit bin, ich bin 3 oder 4 Monate in Elternzeit, dann hab ich so gedacht, boah, in der Eizeiten passiert wahrscheinlich recht viel, wie bleib Ich ja. Wie bleib ich up to date? Hab ich mich gefragt, reicht es, wenn ich die Programmierbaren News höre Ja. Safe. Up to date zu bleiben?\n\nUnd ich glaube, ich mach das einfach mal als Experiment, dass ich die höre und wenn ich wiederkomme, dann so vergleiche, bei welchem Stand bin ich jetzt und was ist praktisch der Stand, den ich hier wahrnehme und dann können wir\n\nSpeaker 0: Nur das einmal besser zu verstehen, heißt das, Du hörst die Programmierer sonst eigentlich grade gar nicht und fängst jetzt quasi damit an?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das hat er nicht gesagt.\n\nSpeaker 3: Du sitzt ja in den News drin.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ach so,\n\nSpeaker 0: aber nicht in den einen, sondern nicht in den der einen News.\n\nSpeaker 3: Weißt Du's? Ja. Vielleicht sitzt es ja immer im Salon einfach hinter der Kamera, unter der Couch, hör auch bei den Speaking\n\nSpeaker 0: of AI News, einmal Shoutout noch an Philipp, der meine Cloud Code League Hot Tags korrigiert hat in der letzten AI News Folge und gemeint hat, na, ist ja doch alles irgendwie son bisschen mehr geleakt, als man gedacht hätte.\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, muss ich mich wohl verbessern. Das ist erschreckend, wie viel plane ship da irgendwie 'n Cloud Code mitgeschippt wird, so. Aber am Ende bleib ich dabei, es ist ja alles trotzdem Quelltext, der schon die ganze Zeit auf euren Rechnern war, nur halt ohne's aus Map. Also\n\nSpeaker 3: Ist jetzt nicht unbedingt so halt, ne. Und\n\nSpeaker 0: ja, kann man ja auch die Compiende, also geht ja schon mit viel Mühe, wenn man will.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wir starten das nicht noch mal, Jan.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau, ich wollt sagen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Danke Philipp für die Ergänzung. Wollt ich nur mal gesagt hab.\n\nSpeaker 3: Lieber an Philipp Bier raus. Hört Philipp wohl diese News?\n\nSpeaker 2: Wir werden's sehen. Philipp, Herr Stimmt,\n\nSpeaker 0: der hat ja auch korrigiert. Meinen letzten Hair Shit Take gehört.\n\nSpeaker 3: Na ja, na ja, na ja, also Du hast das ja auch gepostet auf LinkedIn oder?\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, weil er hat gesagt auch. Also wenn Du die AI News hören würdest, würdest Du hören, aber er hat\n\nSpeaker 2: mich, mein Gott, okay.\n\nSpeaker 1: Hab ich mir grad die News referenziert.\n\nSpeaker 2: Jetzt hast Du da ganz krass genug grade gefragt, ne? Ja. Dave, erzähl doch\n\nSpeaker 0: mal was Sinnvolles, dass wir hier von diesen Off Topic Themen wegkommen und erzähl uns, was es mit HTML in Can was auf sich hat.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, man, ja, man. Bevor wir das so anfangen, also was ja superinteressant ist, weil ich glaub, das ist ja etwas, was uns auch direkt betrifft, Garnit. Wir machen ja HTML 5 Games und ein Ding, womit wir ja zu kämpfen haben, sind ja so irgendwie fancy Animations und irgendwie sehr krasse Sachen, die wir darstellen wollen, ne. So irgendwie Partikelsystem, irgendwas, das auch vor allem performant läuft, ne. Ist ja son großes Thema.\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 2: So und aktuell befinden wir uns ja in so 2 Welten, ne. Zum einen, also wir haben ja diese diese DOM Welt einfach mit HTML und CSS, was halt super-, supergeil ist, ne, weil's ja irgendwie so sehr einfach ist und zugänglich. Wir wir haben so viele Sachen einfach, Text Rendering. Du kannst Sachen einfach kopieren, Du auch die Entwicklertools total easy in Sachen reinspringen. Debugging funktioniert auch richtig nice.\n\nResponsivität, jetzt auf Englisch. Was wollte ich sagen? Responsiveness. Responsiveness, genau. Genau.\n\nUnd und und und das Styling mit CSS ist supermächtig. Aber was natürlich 'n superstarkes Problem ist, wenn wir superviele Dinge animieren wollen und darstellen wollen, Performance. Performance ist immer 'n Bottleneck, warum man vom vom können sie so halb.\n\nSpeaker 3: Und das p so lustig, hör das weiter bitte.\n\nSpeaker 2: Performance, genau. Also wenn Du natürlich superviele Elemente gleichzeitig irgendwie dann animieren möchtest oder irgendwie Du hast irgendwie Dropshadow, dann zack, soll sich das irgendwie bewegen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Entschuldigung, dass ich lachen muss. Es ist einfach so, es fühlt sich gerade also nur zur Aufklärung für die, die uns nur hören auf den Ohren haben und nicht uns sehen, aber es fühlt sich ja ein sehr intimes Gespräch. Dave Garrell einfach nur die Augen gucken, denk ich, das ist ehrlich, ich bin ja nicht mehr ich bin gar nicht mehr Teil dieser Kompensation, aber das ist gut. Du hast ja\n\nSpeaker 0: nicht mehr das Fensterrad am Wagen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Aber ich muss sagen aber auch, weil wir auch sehr nah beieinander sitzen so, das kommt einem auch\n\nSpeaker 0: richtig intim vor. Vor allem gerät hat 'n ganz krassen Blick,\n\nSpeaker 2: son ganz krassen tief in die Seele schaublick. Genau. Aber was was Tennis? Ja. Jan?\n\nOder so die Set-up ist ganz komisch. Was uns aber natürlich hilft und unter anderem unser Partikelsystem basiert ja drauf, ist ja auch Canvas. So Canvas ist superschnell. Man kann ja auch theoretisch schon mit 3 D machen, machen wir jetzt nicht so, aber ist ja damit auch möglich, diese ganzen Partikelsystem rendern und das alles bei 60 Frames pro Second eigentlich gar kein Problem. Das Problem erkennbars ist aber, es ist ja einfach nur 'n dummes Bild, ne, mehr oder weniger.\n\nSo, dass halt irgendwie deine Leinwand, darauf zeichnest Du Pixel so. Und das das das war's am Ende. Du hast nicht so coole Sachen, die Du aus CSS kennst, so was wie Hover, Active Fokus, wo Du direkt weißt, ah okay, der User ist ja grade mit der Maus drüber oder hat's irgendwie grade berührt und so an an seinem Mobile Gerät. Und viele Dinge sind einfach an Canvas oward, ne. Auch irgendwie, wenn Du Texte reinbringst möchtest, Zeilenober und so, das kannst Du alles nicht so schön gestalten, weil's halt einfach auf Pixel basiert.\n\nUnd jetzt, Jan, das hast Du angekündigt, kam dieses Proposal nämlich für HTML in Canvas. Und zwar ist das von der WICG, hab ich sicherlich auch leider das erste Mal von gehört. Das ist die Web Inkubator Community Group. Das ist eine Community Gruppe Gruppe Gruppe von der W-3-c und die sind halt immer dabei, so quasi neue Features für fürs Web einfach dann irgendwie sich auszudenken und dann voranzutreiben und das immer son bisschen zu pushen. Und das Coole ist, das kann man jetzt auch schon direkt aktivieren, das ist hinter soner Chromium Fleck versteckt mit Canvas Draw Elements und das ist nämlich ganz, ganz cool, denn man hat dieses Canvas Element in im im HTML und da kann man jetzt 'n neues Element hinzufügen und zwar nennt sich das Layout Subt tree.\n\nUnd da kannst Du dann in diesem einfach alles anfügen, so was Du aus HTML kennst, also, irgendwelche Paragrafen, s v gs und so, ganz alles einfach dran machen. Und was dann passiert ist, dass sich diese diese von diesem Canvas genauso verhalten, wie man das eigentlich aus HTML kennt. Das heißt, auch in 'nem Stacking Kontext sind, sich danach auch ausschlüsseln und quasi wenn Du dann hast, das hat wieder weitere Elemente, dann auch genau in diesem Kontextblock sind und einfach diesen Baum dann so bilden, was schon mal sehr, sehr cool ist, weil Du's davor einfach nicht konntest. Und jetzt kommt aber noch mal 'n bisschen der Unterschied, die verhalten sich auch so, als wären sie sichtbar, ja, also die nehmen auch den Platz dann ein in in in in in in der Struktur so, aber die werden erst dargestellt, wenn Du sie explizit zeichnen lässt, ne. Also dann gibt's diese diese Funktion Element Image, das heißt, Du musst das dann auswählen von dem Canvas, dass genau dieses Element dann gezeichnet werden soll.\n\nDann und dann wird das dargestellt. So und das Coole daran ist, dass der Browser sich jetzt nativ alle Sachen kümmert. So, So, das heißt, Du musst nicht mal irgendwie sagen, okay, wie sieht das mit Responsivität aus, wie Dinge gehandelt werden, wann so das painting übernommen wird, sondern das macht der Browser alles nativ, weil der's ja eigentlich schon aus der HTML DOM Welt schon alles kennt. Mhm. Das heißt, das verbindet son bisschen so diese diese superkrasse Rendergeschwindigkeit, die man durch Canvas hat und kombiniert das halt aber mit dieser Leichtigkeit von HTML und CSS und kann diese Element direkt auswählen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also pack ich dann einfach son Canvas Element dann hinter meine komplette Webseite und rappel einfach meine komplette Webseite darin.\n\nSpeaker 3: Da kann\n\nSpeaker 1: ich einfach überall zusätzlich was malen.\n\nSpeaker 3: Kann aber gut sein, dass das dann trotzdem unperformanter ist insgesamt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Aber ist geil, aber Rainer. Okay. Und in in den fand ich richtig cool, das wär jetzt cool, wenn man das auch so einblenden könnte, aber es gab so irgendwie so son Jelly Slider. Mhm.\n\nHast Du's grade deine Hand gemacht?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, hier kommt das Bild dann in der Nähe.\n\nSpeaker 2: Oh, praktisch. Ja, das musst Du aber nachbearbeiten. Und zwar ist das ganz cool, weil Du so son Slider\n\nSpeaker 3: Sag mal, dass der der, dass das aussieht.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich will's\n\nSpeaker 2: mal. Also ich ich versuch's auch mal zu beschreiben. Also das ist son Slider, wie man den so quasi von Audioplayern kennt, also das ist halt irgendwie so Prozentanzeige und dann wie laut etwas ist. Ja, und das ist aber ganz cool, weil das son Jelly Ding ist und sich dann so bewegt und das irgendwie sehr, sehr, sehr cool aussieht. Genau und dann halt auch sone Dreidimensionalität reinbringt, was meganice ist.\n\nUnd was halt cool ist, Du kannst halt halt, weil das jetzt halt in HTML lebt, auch damit Tab direkt darauf zugreifen und den halt dann noch mit Pfeiltasten bewegen und so. Das wär, mit kennen wir's einfach nicht möglich gewesen, einfach weil's jetzt wirklich 'n Slider ist, der hier angesprochen wird und heißt hast hast Du natürlich diese 3 D Möglichkeit einfach insgesamt. Und das ist schon irgendwie ganz geil und natürlich jetzt Stichwort so Accessability, 'n Screenreader wird das auch erkennen und sagen, hey, der ist ein Slider, der hat den Wert ATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT meganice aus, ist direkt auch perfekt synchronisiert mit deinem Code. Das heißt, Du kannst diese Werte dann auch dann einfach direkt zugreifen und musst nicht irgendwie auch gut drauf achten, wie Du's davor gemacht hast, irgendwie son Canvas und dann unsichtbares HTML Element, dass das irgendwie so nachspiegelt, sondern das ist halt perfekt direkt da. Und ist jetzt natürlich cool, dass durch dieses einfach so versucht wird, 'n sauberen nativen Standard einzubringen für dieses Canvas mit HTML.\n\nAlso da gibt's viele verschiedene Beispiele. Ich fand diesen, ist leider sehr, sehr cool. Der sieht irgendwie richtig nice aus, auch wie Du son Schatten wirft und das Licht bricht und gleichzeitig halt, wie easy das dann auch machbar ist. Da ist auch in dem Proposal immer noch der Code angegeben. Würd ich einfach mal sagen, kann sich jeder anschauen, einfach mal selbst bisschen rumexperimentieren.\n\nWürd natürlich auch vermutlich noch etwas dauern, also ist jetzt grad 'n Proposal, bis das durch ist, wird's wahrscheinlich Monate oder Jahre dauern, aber Wie krass, dass das in Chrome halt schon verfügbar\n\nSpeaker 3: ist, wenn's noch 'n Proposal ist? Also kommt das dann auch von Chrome Leuten oder was? Also ich\n\nSpeaker 1: glaub wie\n\nSpeaker 3: das schon eingebaut hat.\n\nSpeaker 2: Alles, was mit Web zu tun hat, immer im Chrome irgendwie.\n\nSpeaker 3: Da werden wahrscheinlich viel Leute von Google sitzen, die an Chrome arbeiten, die da\n\nSpeaker 0: mitsprechen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wie das Ganze funktioniert, haben wir schon mal in 1 Programmierbarfolge besprochen. Ich kann dir jetzt leider auch die Nummer nicht verlinken, vielleicht kann das ja auch noch mal im Hintergrund recherchieren.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wer Referenz?\n\nSpeaker 3: Auch Ist kein Thema,\n\nSpeaker 0: weil wir besprechen das bald auch noch mal in der Programmierbarfolge. Von daher,\n\nSpeaker 2: ja, auf jeden Fall sehr cool. Sollte man sich mal anschauen und einfach 'n bisschen rumprobieren. Also ich fand das also einfach sehr spannend, wie wie zugänglich das jetzt insgesamt ist. Ist ist cool.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nice.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wuy hatte Programmierer ein Message. Yes.\n\nSpeaker 0: Geil. Das das nächste Gif. Das ist einfach das nächste Gif.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und schöner davon.\n\nSpeaker 0: Schön. Wunderbar. Schauen wir schauen wir mal, ob ihr die nächste Message auch approved. Ich hab was von Cloudflare dabei und das ist veröffentlicht worden am ersten April und ich muss auch sagen, meine erste Reaktion war, wie Dave bei uns im Chat auch so, ist das ernst gemeint oder ist das nur son erster April Scherz, so, ja? Und böse gesagt, könnte man sagen, die Wahrheit liegt wahrscheinlich irgendwo dazwischen.\n\nAlso wenn man wenn man Cloudflare fragt, ist das sehr ernst gemeint. Wenn man andere Leute fragt, müssen wir vielleicht noch mal draufschauen. Aber was ist passiert? Cloudflare hat Mdash vorgestellt. Mdash ist Cloudflares Versuch, einen selbst betitelten Nachfolger für WordPress vorzustellen.\n\nWordPress ja irgendwie das CMS, was je nachdem, wen man so fragt, die Hälfte des Internets betreibt oder 'n bisschen mehr oder 'n bisschen weniger. Und auch immer dadurch in den Schlagzeilen, dass es ja quasi eine Sicherheitslücke nach der anderen in WordPress gibt und da fairerweise nicht in WordPress selbst oder nicht immer in WordPress selbst, sondern sehr oft auch in den Plug ins, die es halt dafür gibt. Und das ist genau der Punkt, wo Cloudflare ansetzt und sagt, so wir bauen hier ein CMS mit 1 vollkommen neuen Plug in Architektur, nämlich nutzen sie Cloudflyer Dynamic Workers und fahren quasi für jedes Plug in einen eigenen isolierten Worker Prozess hoch, der quasi nur sehr beschränkte Berechtigung hat, also mit 'nem mit 'ner Direktive quasi verbunden ist, die dann halt nur genau diese Sachen ausführen darf, die für das Plug in erforderlich sind. Gibt's dann son sone Scope Konfiguration pro Plug in, ne, was was muss mein Plug in hier irgendwie können? Muss das, weiß nicht, Posts lesen dürfen, Posts bearbeiten dürfen, muss das auf meine User zugreifen können, auf meinen E-Mail-Messagingdienst, was auch immer.\n\nUnd das wird dann alles in sonem isolated scope halt ausgeführt. Das Ganze baut son bisschen auf Astro auf. Sie nutzen quasi Astro zum Rendern und haben mit MDACH 'n eigenes CMS Backend für Astro geschrieben, weil sie halt gesagt haben, WordPress ist halt nicht mehr zeitgemäß, weil das quasi auf dieser ganzen in Anführungszeichen modernen, da da kommen die Daumen von Dennis schon hoch, weil WordPress nicht mehr zeitgemäß, weil das eben auf dieser ganzen modernen Architektur nicht mehr läuft, ja? Wenn man sich anguckt, wie viel von Wessel, Cloudflyer und so weiter halt mittlerweile so auf Serverless Infrastruktur setzen, das ist halt mit WordPress irgend 'n bisschen schwieriger, weil's halt oftmals noch am Pfeilsystem hängt et cetera et cetera und das wollten sie halt alles loswerden. So, jetzt kommen wir da son bisschen hin, wo man sagen muss, ja, technisch ist das sicherlich von der Architektur irgendwie 'n cooler Ansatz zu sagen.\n\nWir setzen auf auf Server lässt und natürlich funktioniert das auch alles mit diesen Cloud Verdiensten ganz gut. Man kann das aber auch bei sich selber hosten, alles alles gut. Aber der eine große Knackpunkt, nämlich dieses wir bauen eine neuartige Plug in Infrastruktur, funktioniert halt nur, wenn Du's auf Cloudflare betreibst und auch nur, wenn Du kostenpflichtige Cloudflare Dienste nutzt, nämlich genau diese Dynamic Workers, das ist genau der Punkt. Das gibt es nicht in irgend 'nem Free Teer oder mit irgendwelchen Useage Caps oder so was. Das geht nur in, gibt es Cloudflair und gibt Cloudflair deine Kreditkarte und sie lassen das so oft laufen, wie's halt eben notwendig ist.\n\nUnd das ist so das, wo viele dann schon sehr skeptisch draufguckt haben und gesagt haben, na ja, also was was Cloudfare im Prinzip damit baut, ist halt son eigener Market für sich. Ja, also sie sie bauen im Prinzip technisch cooles Tooling, das Du aber halt nur benutzen kannst, wenn Du noch mehr Geld bei bei Cloud verlässt am Ende des Tages. Und das, also natürlich, ne, Cloudfair, große Company, die haben natürlich 'n legitimes Interesse daran Geld zu verdienen. Das soll gar nicht, soll man ihnen gar nicht ankreiden, aber dann halt zu sagen, das ist so der Nachfolger für WordPress, was so das offene CMS schlechthin ist und dann sage ich, das läuft übrigens wirklich gut, nur auf unserer proprietären Infrastruktur, das ist halt son bisschen son bisschen schwierig.\n\nSpeaker 3: Das ist dein Aprilscherz, Moment. Ja, kann ich's noch vollziehen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ja, was heißt Aprilscherz? Also es gibt noch 2 andere Punkte, der der andere Punkt ist, ich hab's mir mal angeguckt, ich hab's bei mir mal installiert und ich hab ungefähr zweieinhalb Minuten gebraucht, um's kaputtzukriegen. Oh. Indem ich einfach Das wär ja ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ein ein\n\nSpeaker 0: Asset hochgeladen hab. Ein ein Bild hochgeladen hab und dann gesagt hab, ich werde gerne dieses Bild in einem Blogpost verwenden und dann ist es einfach abgeschmiert und gesagt hat, oh, ich hab meine Datenbank korruptiert und das reproduzierbar so. Also What?\n\nSpeaker 1: Hä? Was?\n\nSpeaker 0: Das war son bisschen schwierig. Dann hat das noch, ich hab mir mal son bisschen die GitHub Issues angeguckt, also es gibt irgendwie 'n paar von den APIs unterstützen doch keine Pagination und wenn Du mehr als, weiß ich nicht, 50 Blogposts veröffentlichen willst, wird es halt von der API nicht mehr mit unterstützt und so was. Also es ist einfach noch 'n sehr, sehr frühes System, so, ja. Architektur cool, produktiv würde ich das vielleicht jetzt noch nicht einsetzen.\n\nSpeaker 3: Productiv,\n\nSpeaker 1: produktiv Was ist den, was ist denn der Take von denen, dass sie, also wurde das von ihrem Marketing als WordPress Nachfolger Institut oder was was er Ja. Mächtigt sich? Ich mein, es gibt ja 10000 CMS da draußen, die tendenziell versuchen\n\nSpeaker 0: Spirit, nein. Das ist schon Ihr Branding zu sagen, das das ist das neue Wordpress jetzt.\n\nSpeaker 3: Was hast Du jetzt gesagt grade?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ach so. Also der Okay. Das heißt Was\n\nSpeaker 0: vielleicht auch dazu konkret haben\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ich bin der geistige Nachfolger von Jesus so.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das stimmt. Das würde ich dir mal\n\nSpeaker 1: davon gezeigt, weil irgendwas andere als irgendein große große Bild Das würde\n\nSpeaker 2: was für jedes\n\nSpeaker 0: Recht noch kommen. Ja, stimmt. Woran sich das vielleicht noch zeigt, ja, ist vielleicht jetzt nicht unbedingt in der technischen Reife, aber weil sie halt sagen, sie haben versucht viel konzeptionell von WordPress zu übernehmen. Wenn Du dir das Admin, sieht es auch erschreckend ähnlich dem Mhm. Zu WordPress, ja?\n\nWie sie Seiten aufbauen und strukturieren, wie sie Blogposts machen, wie sie Assets handeln, das ist alles sehr, sehr ähnlich zu WordPress und der Grund, warum sie das machen, ist ist 2 Punkte. Zum einen, weil sie natürlich sagen, wir wollen den die Migration für Leute einfacher machen, ja, die weil viele WordPress Nutzer sind jetzt ja nicht grade technische Nutzer*innen so, ja, und die sollen sich da direkt wohlfühlen. Aber und jetzt kommt der Kicker, sie wollen das besonders für Agents einfach machen zu migrieren, ja, also wenn Du dir MDAh aufsetzt, kriegst Du auch direkt eine Agents MD, eine Cloud MD, Du kriegst Skills irgendwie mit, Du kriegst CLI Handling irgendwie dafür mit, ja, dass Du halt relativ einfach sagen kannst, deinem Agent, hier ist meine Wordpress Seite, bau die doch mal jetzt in diesem m-dash-Set-up nach. So, ja, und deshalb versuchen sie sich da halt sehr nah dran zu halten. Dass natürlich WordPress nicht nur von WordPress lebt, sondern von diesem riesigen Ökosystem an Plug ins, an Themes, an hast Du alles nicht gesehen drumherum, ja?\n\nUnd dass dir natürlich alles fehlt, das versuchen sie halt genau dadurch auszugleichen, dass sie sagen, na ja, wir liefern dir 'n Skill mit, custom Plugins zu schreiben. Wenn's dein Plug in nicht gibt, sag halt deinem Agent, er soll's dir bauen, ja? Wenn's dein Theme nicht gibt, sag halt deinem Agent, er soll's dir irgendwie nachbauen so. Da muss man dann mal schauen, wie gut das halt wirklich alles funktioniert, aber zumindest die Grundlagen sind halt irgendwie da, ja.\n\nSpeaker 3: Gefühlt ist das halt so der Nachfolger für WordPress, wenn man auf Cloudfair unterwegs ist so, ne. Also es klingt ja schon so, als wär's sinnvoll, das zu nutzen, wenn man auf dieser Infrastruktur ist, aber das,\n\nSpeaker 1: also Na ja, kannst Du auch 'n anderes Thema nutzen, oder?\n\nSpeaker 3: Ja, aber wenn's halt für die Infrastruktur optimiert ist, dann find das schon, also wär's doch irgendwie 'n No Brainer, oder?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, aber ich glaube nicht, dass 50 Prozent des Internets auf Cloudferien.\n\nSpeaker 3: Nein, nein, auf, nee, nee, nee, auf gar keinen Fall. Also ich glaube nicht, dass\n\nSpeaker 1: das wirklich\n\nSpeaker 3: der Nachfolger für WordPress wird. Das ist unwahrscheinlich. Aber ne, mit dem, wenn Du da anhängen würdest, der Nachfolger für WordPress in Cloudflare. Baby. Baby.\n\nSpeaker 1: Trotzdem schlechtes Marketing.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber das ist ja nur noch mal zusammengefasst, das heißt die 2 Hauptbeweggründe waren einmal dieses Security Issues durch die Plugins und zweitens bisschen mehr Gentic Readiness. Das sind bisschen\n\nSpeaker 0: mehr Gentic Readiness, bisschen besseres Security Handling und 'n bisschen besser auf so moderne States Infrastruktur vorbereitet, ne.\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm. Ja. Ja, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Letzter letzter Funfact am Ende, so, warum wisst ihr, was MDAh heißt? Ja, ich hab Ja, jetzt bin ich ganz wer kann das erklären? Ich\n\nSpeaker 1: denke, das ist der, ist das nicht der lange Unterstrich und das ist, was die Agenten so viel machen? Das wär meine Ja und\n\nSpeaker 0: und wie wie heißt dieser lange Unterstrich auf\n\nSpeaker 1: Deutsch? Gedankenstrich.\n\nSpeaker 2: Der Sommer Unterstrich?\n\nSpeaker 1: Der Gedanken nicht in euch? Nicht in der lange Strich. Gedankenstrich oder nicht?\n\nSpeaker 2: Da heißt Getriebe.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ah okay, klär uns auf.\n\nSpeaker 2: Nein, ich, das, weil wir sehen grade halt 'n lustiges mit so Skateboards und das ist, es wurde zwar M-Dash. Sorry.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also ich hab dachte auch wie Dennis, ne M-Dash, da musste ich immer daran denken, dass es so populär geworden ist, weil die Agents das ja irgendwie so hart verwenden und das ist ja dieser Strich, den man tippen kann, wenn man nicht das Minus tippt, sondern diesen etwas längeren Strich. Und dann bin ich in son Wikipedia Rabbit Hall gefallen und hab gelesen, wo das irgendwie alles herkommt. Und der Strich ist deshalb so lang, weil er im Prinzip noch aus der Buchdruckzeit kommt, da als diese ganzen Characters noch so einzeln gesetzt wurden mit einzelnen Bleistempeln und der m-dash im Prinzip genauso lang wie breit war, also nein genauso lang wie hoch. Also diese ganzen Stempel waren quadratisch, ja und der M-Dash war quasi genau die volle Länge dieses Stempels irgendwie ausgenutzt. Vollkommen wild und deshalb heißen heute im Jahr 20 26 CMS Systeme so wie der Buchdruck von vor 400 Jahren.\n\nSpeaker 3: Nein, das hat doch noch 'n anderen Grund.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber Gedankenstrich ist doch richtig, oder die deutsche Übersetzung?\n\nSpeaker 0: Da da muss jetzt mal Vanessa fragen\n\nSpeaker 3: oder sowas. Aber es gibt\n\nSpeaker 2: es gibt doch 'n NDash, das ist nur die Hälfte davon. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber Genau, es gibt diesen Geviertstrich, es gibt diesen doppelt Geviertstrich\n\nSpeaker 2: und sowas an High 5.\n\nSpeaker 3: Heißt Du aber, guck mal auf diesem Bild von Wordpress, nee, Moment, von Cloudfair ist ja noch 'n m drauf mit dem Dash drüber.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und das ist das Genau so mal nach 'nem.\n\nSpeaker 3: Das wird doch noch 'n anderen Grund haben. Das sieht das aus.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also das\n\nSpeaker 1: ist ja wahrscheinlich der Gedankenstrich, deswegen, weil man immer m sagt. Und das haben sie halt der Buchdruck irgendwann gemacht mit 'nem Strich statt\n\nSpeaker 2: und deswegen heißt das\n\nSpeaker 0: Muss\n\nSpeaker 3: Wenn man das Weil die so reagieren, wenn Du fragst so, warum habt ihr das gemacht?\n\nSpeaker 2: Muss man das auch immer vorlesen, wenn man das in einen Text liest. Genau. So. Eigentlich schon.\n\nSpeaker 3: Genau wie bei\n\nSpeaker 2: Erschöpft, ja.\n\nSpeaker 3: Genau so wie bei So hättest\n\nSpeaker 1: Du das doch nicht geschrieben, aber ja.\n\nSpeaker 3: Jan Gregor\n\nSpeaker 0: Getriebe.\n\nSpeaker 2: Okay. Also\n\nSpeaker 0: ich würd sagen, Gareth mach mal weiter und erzählt uns was zu d n update.\n\nSpeaker 2: Also oh Gott, oh Gott, oh Gott, was was 'n geisteskranker Übergang. Ah, Jan, Du viset einfach, Du bist die Maschine.\n\nSpeaker 0: M DN,\n\nSpeaker 3: also M DN sagt euch was oder?\n\nSpeaker 1: M DN, schon mal gehört? Microsoft Developer Network.\n\nSpeaker 3: Richtig.\n\nSpeaker 0: Fast. Okay,\n\nSpeaker 3: jetzt musst Du mich aufklären, was heißt das dann eigentlich?\n\nSpeaker 2: Markt der deutschen Notenbank.\n\nSpeaker 3: Genau das. Also MDN hat ja, sage ich mal, eine sehr große Website, wo sie die Webstandards Dokumentieren. Dokumentieren und auch bisschen so anlernen, also sie haben auch sehr viele Lernfeatures drin und sie haben einen sehr coolen Blogpost darüber geschrieben, wirklich sehr empfehlenswert, weil ich kann gar nicht in alles reingehen, was sie da schreiben, wie sie ihre Webseite refaxtert haben im Prinzip. Und kurz gesagt sind sie, haben sie 2 Dinge gemacht, sie sind von react auf web Componice gegangen und es ist sehr cool, wie gut sie da beschreiben, was die Gründe dafür waren und was das für Probleme gefixt hat. Und es ist wenn man diesen Artikel gelesen hat, hat man echt das Gefühl, okay, diese Entscheidung waren irgendwie alle sinnvoll und jetzt ist es deutlich besser und ich verstehe auch warum.\n\nAlso, genau, lest lest den Blogartikel, ist meine Empfehlung. Das Zweite, was Sie gemacht haben, ist im Prinzip Server selber nachzubauen, weil Sie eben eine sehr spezifische Variante davon brauchten und das deutlich sina gemacht haben. Und es hat eben zu verschiedenen Verbesserungen geführt, einerseits die Webseite deutlich performanter geworden. Es ist wesentlich einfacher geworden für sie, diese Webseite zu pflegen, weil sie eben natürlich einerseits die Website gebaut hatten und dann ganz viele Content Creator hatten, die diese Dokumentation geschrieben haben und das war wohl auf beiden Seiten riesiges HackMac, das richtig gut hinzubekommen, vor allen Dingen, weil sie auch interaktive Lernelemente drin hatten. Das wurde alles sehr, sehr kompliziert über die Zeit und das haben sie geschafft in der Größe, die sie haben, deutlich zu vereinfachen.\n\nUnd ich fand's einfach cool zu sehen, wie sie das gemacht haben, was sie für Gedanken hatten, was sie für Probleme hatten und wie sie das gelöst haben. Ich glaube, viel tiefer will ich gar nicht reingehen, weil es sich einfach lohnt, diesen Artikel zu lesen, weil das so gut beschrieben ist. Und was ich vielleicht noch irgendwie cool fand, war zu sehen, okay, das sind natürlich die Leute, die den Webstandard extrem gut kennen, weil sie irgendwie an 'ner Webseite arbeiten, der das so drin hat.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und\n\nSpeaker 3: sie haben auch sehr viel davon genutzt, also sie sprechen sehr viel darüber, okay, wir haben viele sehr, sehr neue Dinge benutzt, aber vieles davon ist mittlerweile auch schon Whitely Baseline, wird aber zum Beispiel von React oder so teilweise noch gar nicht verwendet. Also zum Beispiel die Shadow DOM Sachen, die Web Componits nutzen, Web Componits überhaupt. Ich fand's einfach cool zu sehen, dass sie Expertise in diesen Dingen hatten und die dann auch klug eingesetzt haben, sehr viel Performance für ihr Produkt oder ihre Webseite rauszuholen und das fand ich cool zu sehen, dass sie so von React weggehen und eher so in diese, ja, in ihre Expertise eigentlich reingehen und für mich ist das eigentlich schon länger 'n Thema, ob überhaupt noch Frameworks auch in der AI Welt so relevant sind oder so sinnvoll und nicht viel mehr Richtung Web Components gehen sollte,\n\nSpeaker 1: weil\n\nSpeaker 3: son Standard einfach langlebiger ist, robuster ist. Und ich fand's cool zu sehen, dass Sie das gemacht haben und sehr happy damit waren.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Also da hat natürlich auch, das spielt wahrscheinlich auch rein, dass Mozilla halt son eigenes Interesse auch hat, ne, Web Componants zu pushen, weil es natürlich ihre, also ihrem Browser die Arbeit leichter macht am Ende des Tages auch. Aber ist cool, dass es halt son cooler proof ist, dass es halt einfach gut funktioniert. Voll. Und wie Du sagst, es liest sich ja auch schon sinnvoll so.\n\nAlso hätten sie jetzt nicht gemacht, nur das machen deswegen.\n\nSpeaker 3: Nee, es hat sich an allen Stellen verbessert. Performance, Developmentability, Maintenability, also es ist eigentlich alles besser geworden. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und es\n\nSpeaker 2: ist auch gut\n\nSpeaker 3: zu sehen, ja, wie Sie's Also es ist son Engineering Artikel eigentlich für mich, weil Sie so einfach gute Lösungen für spezifische Probleme gefunden haben und das ist einfach geil irgendwie.\n\nSpeaker 1: Dafür steht übrigens dann auch am DN. Mozilla. Maintenability, devellabilability, Nightmode.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das? Nightmode. Geil, Nightmode. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: War eigentlich die richtige Auflösung Jan?\n\nSpeaker 2: Mozilla. Das hab ich doch. Du hast 'n Microsoft verfolgt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, sag ich doch. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das war\n\nSpeaker 0: das andere Microsoft.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das andere Microsoft. Wie heißt\n\nSpeaker 1: immer die, die bei Microsoft arbeitet?\n\nSpeaker 2: Julia. Grüße Ja. Ja. Okay. Ist Microsoft.\n\nSpeaker 0: Spick auf Menschen. Dennis, erzähl uns was zu Menschen in Json Dokumenten.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das ist, also irgendjemand hat 'n Link gepostet in unserem News Channel und ich hatte noch kein Thema und dann hab ich gesagt, okay, und irgendwann hattest Du sogar gesagt, das ist auch was für Dennis wahrscheinlich, weil irgendwie was mit AI zu tun hatte.\n\nSpeaker 2: Nee, ich hab das gesagt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich hab das gesagt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Nee, nee, nee,\n\nSpeaker 1: nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee,\n\nSpeaker 3: nee, nee, nee, nee, nee\n\nSpeaker 1: Protokoll, das nennt sich Human Punkt Jason. Und die Problematik, die dort erkannt wird, ist, dass immer mehr Teile des Internets aus AI SLP bestehen und halt keiner mehr seine Sachen irgendwie richtig selbst schreibt. Und dieses Protokoll sollte aber unterstützen, praktisch zu verifizieren, dass Content noch von Menschen gemacht ist, indem und das ist halt irgendwie dann halt auch wieder so Social proof, indem man halt irgendwie sagt, okay, also zum einen selbst deklariert, ey, ich, das ist menschengeschrieben,\n\nSpeaker 3: was hier\n\nSpeaker 1: auf dieser Seite passiert und dafür gibt's dann halt son Marktdown oder die halt diese JSON, in der man das dann deklarieren kann, dass das so ist und dann gibt's halt noch son System, wo man praktisch so sagen kann, ungleichzeitig sage ich auch noch diese und diese Seite ist auch von Menschen gemacht und gibt da praktisch diesen diesen Proof und dadurch entsteht sonen sonen Graph aus diesen Verknüpfungen und je mehr Verknüpfungen praktisch dich verifizieren und so, ach, Du bist auch ein Mensch, der das schreibt, desto höher wird dein desto höher wird dein Score, der sagt, wie menschlich Du noch bist. Nicht wie menschlich Du noch bist, wie sicher es ist, dass Du als Menschshot schreibst. Genau und da gibt's dann tatsächlich einen, ja, einen einen Chrome und sonstige Plug ins, wo Du das halt angezeigt bekommst, wo Du eine kleine Ampel ist so, wie safe ist es, dass hier Menschen arbeiten. Mhm. Ja, so schön, so gut.\n\nDas wars auch.\n\nSpeaker 3: Jetzt kommt der Rant.\n\nSpeaker 0: Super. Das heißt\n\nSpeaker 1: der Rant, ich ich halte es für Zinnigen Quatsch, muss ich sagen. Also erstens halte ich's für Quatsch, dass ich das also oder halte ich's so unwahrscheinlich, dass ich das durchsetzt, weil so viele Leute gar nicht das Interesse daran haben. Und dann muss ich ganz ehrlich sagen, also geht's nicht am Ende die Qualität? Also ich hab doch nicht so viel davon, das jetzt sagen zu können, okay, das war jetzt auf jeden Fall ein Mensch, der das geschrieben hat. Ich muss doch irgendwie die Qualität davon beurteilen und wenn das halt jemand ist, dem ich schon lange folge und irgendwann fängt der an und die Artikel hören sich alle gleich an und überall sind nur Gedankenstriche drin, Dann kann ich halt aufhören, dann kann ich halt aufhören, das zu lesen oder mir zu denken, okay, das ist kein guter Inhalt, aber Ja.\n\nGeht's nicht. Und und wenn jetzt da eine ist, die genau in dem gleichen Ton, laut dem gleichen Ste, genau in den gleichen Informationstiefe wie die Quelle, die Du gerne hattest, schreibst so, warum interessiert dich das, dass das von der AI geschrieben wurde? Wenn es auch gesteuert ist und davon. Und also ich ich ich weiß, gerade Du hast hoffentlich eine andere Meinung. Ich lege da irgendwie nicht so viel Wert drin, Vor allen Dingen das so zu, ja, das dann noch so zu deklarieren und so.\n\nAlso das ist jetzt 'n Gütesiegel für, das wurde noch von Menschen gemacht.\n\nSpeaker 3: Also ich geborene dir recht, dass es am Ende die Qualität des Artikels geht. Ich glaube, es ist son bisschen wie bei Code auch. Also wenn ich praktisch Code von 'nem Menschen lese, dann hab ich bestimmte, wie sagt man, ich kann von Dingen ausgehen, die ich, von denen ich nicht ausgehen kann, wenn das von 'ner AI kommt. Und ich glaub, das ist in Artikeln für mich ähnlich. Also dass, wenn da eine Meinung drinsteht zum Beispiel, weiß ich, dass das dann wirklich die Meinung von diesem Menschen ist oder ist es unter Umständen von 'ner AI und vielleicht auch gar nicht überprüft?\n\nAlso es sind einfach, kommen mehr Fragezeichen mit, wenn ich weiß, das hat eine AI geschrieben, die ich nicht hätte, wenn ich weiß, das hat die Person selber geschrieben und ich glaube\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich find, würdest Du nicht zumindest davon ausgehen,\n\nSpeaker 3: dass die also besonders überprüft,\n\nSpeaker 1: vielleicht nicht. Genau, vielleicht hätte ich ja auch 'n falsches Bild von Blogs oder sonstige Sachen, die da gelesen werden. Also Na ja. Am Ende werden's, ja. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 3: Du kannst, also ich weiß nicht, wenn ich 'n Blogartikel hätte und eine AI, die meinen Ton hat und ich einfach sage, hey, schreib mal 'n Artikel über dieses Thema und keine Ahnung, ich hab nicht so viel Zeit und ich hab das aber schon 'n paarmal gemacht und hab da Vertrauen drin, veröffentliche den, aber hab ihn nicht mehr geprüft. Also ich kann's mir halt vorstellen in der Welt, wo viel RA Content passiert. Okay und dann gibt's Leute, die vertrauen, Gareth Mog einfach so, dass sie den\n\nSpeaker 1: hat hier gelesen und dann denken, okay, hier ist der Gareth gesagt, also glaube ich das jetzt und am Ende hat's einfach nur eine RRI gemacht oder ist das, was was richtig ist.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wollte ich, na, aber wollte ich grad sagen, weil das wird ja in keiner Form irgendwie verifiziert, oder? Du kannst ja was sagen, ja, ich hab dieses Human Punkt Json so. Ja. Oder kannst dir trotzdem alles a I generated auf deiner Website lassen. Genau, aber das Ding\n\nSpeaker 1: ist ja das Aber es\n\nSpeaker 0: geht ja nicht deine Human Json. Stimmt. Es geht ja das, was die anderen in ihre Human Json beschreiben.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das ist\n\nSpeaker 0: ja son Proxy Trust Network Ding.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber ich mein, auch das ist natürlich super, also wie wie ist das aktuell gehalten, ist natürlich auch die Frage. Also ich mein, wenn Du heute noch 'n schönen Artikel geschrieben hast, kannst Du ja morgen anfangen AI zu machen. Man hast irgendwie schon 3 Human Referenzen, die da sind.\n\nSpeaker 3: Also ich glaub auch, dass ich Also ich find's\n\nSpeaker 1: mir irgendwie, ist 'n ganz nettes Gedankenspiel.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber also in dem in dem Protokoll steht da drin, wann Du dafür gewouch hast, ne, und dann kannst Du ja schon irgendwie sagen, ältere Vouches werden weniger account als irgendwie neuere oder so was. Was was ich, was mir son bisschen fehlt, ist so die Granularität, weil das ist halt sehr schwarz oder weiß. So, benutzt Du halt AI oder halt nicht. Und da ist ja alles drin von dem, was Du grade beschrieben hast mit, ich ich prompte hier die Artikel zusammen, weil ich keine Zeit hab. Aber was ist, wenn jemand so so diesen Grammerly Modus einfach nur nutzt, ne?\n\nIch hab das ja schon zu 99 Prozent geschrieben, aber ich bin halt ich bin kein Native Speaker, lass doch noch mal drüber schauen, kannst Du mir bei der ein oder anderen Formulierung helfen. Wo fällt das halt irgendwie alles rein? Und das, finde ich, ist halt son bisschen schwierig dann. Weil es gibt ja schon vielleicht legitime Use Cases selbst für Leute, die jetzt komplett AI generierten Content irgendwie ablehnen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Gut, Sie schreiben am Anfang, Und ich mein, wenn da steht, dann schließt das meine Art nicht aus, dass Du einnullst, deine Grammatik zu korrigieren.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber ja, ich würde aber trotzdem mit Dennis mitgehen, mit der ersten Annahme so, wenn's halt, also es wird ja auch explizit grade gesagt so, Wenn's kacke ist, also geht die auch nie mehr drauf, dann hat es auch keinen Traffic so. Und denk mir so, wenn's aber mal geil gemacht ist und es Oh. Weiß nicht, ne? Ja. Also das ist so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Verdient schon viel Geld im Moment. Das kann man nicht bestreiten.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, aber dann aber dann genau und dann hat's doch irgendwie 'n Markt und dann ist es auch absolut fein. Also ich ich referenzier hier wieder meinen Katzenpodcast an der Stelle. Jan, Du feierst das auch so. Der der Podcast, der ist halt megageil, ist halt auch ey, ich würd's aber nicht sloppen nennen, weil's halt also es ist AI gut benutzt.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ja, so. Es hat, ich würd's auch nicht sloppen nehmen, weil's halt 'n bestimmten Use Case hat. Es soll halt entertained, aber wenn part dystes Content ist, der so wirkt, als wäre er ein, keine Ahnung, fundierter, vielleicht wissenschaftlicher Artikel, aber ist es nicht, dann ist es schon anstrengend sozusagen, selbst entscheiden zu müssen, ist das jetzt Lob oder real? Und da Ich mein, das ist eigentlich ganz nice.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ist das nicht bei, also bei Zeitungsartikeln, die Du bis jetzt gelesen hast? Ich mein, dann hast Du unterschiedliche Das ist das Genau, also ja, aber Du hast unterschiedliche Zeitungen so und die haben einen unterschiedlichen politischen Background meistens. Die sind irgendwie gefärbt von irgendeiner Sache so. Das ist doch auch etwas, was Du mit der Zeit irgendwie aufnimmst und dich entweder an den Mädchen orientiert, die in deinem Stil schreiben oder eine andere Brille aufzunehmen. Also ich mein, auch da steht ja jetzt nicht Vorsicht eingefärbt vor 'nem CDU Bild oder keine Ahnung was so.\n\nAlso ist es nicht auch schon überall, dass wir diesen Skill haben müssen, irgendwie über den Variationen umzugehen und sie kritisch zu hinterfragen und nur weil da jetzt dran steht, oh, Human war dahinter, das bringt mir relativ wenig.\n\nSpeaker 3: Das verstehe, also gefühlt war dieses Argument oder der Vergleich eher 'n Pro Argument dafür, dass das gut wär für mich, weil wenn ich jetzt die Bild lese, weiß ich, was ich erwarte, so, weil es halt die Bild ist. Und wenn da stehen würde, keine Ahnung, das ist das AR Magazin, dann weiß ich, okay, das sind AR Artikel, dann würde mich das jetzt nicht hindern, das zu lesen, aber ich hätte 'n anderen Kontext beim Lesen, der mir helfen würde, das auch einzuordnen, einzuschätzen, anders zu hinterfragen, kritisch hin zu hinterfragen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und selbst im Presserecht gibt es ja so Sachen, wo Du sagen musst, ne, das ist 'n paid Editorial, das ist irgendwie eine Meldung, die haben wir ausm Presserticker 1 zu 1 übernommen. Also da gibt es ja auch son paar Analogien, Inhalte einzuordnen.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ja. Ich glaube, es sind auch sehr unterschiedliche Use Cases, ne. Ist es dazu da, jetzt 'n Artikel, der ohne Human Overside irgendwie erstellt wurde oder ist es 'n Blogartikel von der Person, die vielleicht erstellt, also ne, es gibt, ich sag mal, unterschiedliche Situationen, wo es mir wichtiger wäre oder weniger wichtig,\n\nSpeaker 2: sagen wir jetzt mal.\n\nSpeaker 3: Weil der ey könnte auch irgendwie 'n 'n Paper schreiben, das so aussieht wie 'n Paper, irgend eine Webseite machen, wo das hochgeladen wird. Das sieht alles richtig aus, aber ist totaler Quatsch und da ist vielleicht 'n böser Wille dahinter? Ich weiß es nicht, also da findest Du essenziell\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, auch das\n\nSpeaker 1: ist ja irgendwo auch jetzt schon überall existent. Also ich mein, dass Du überall verarscht wirst und da irgendwelche Sachen draufgeschrieben werden, das ist doch jetzt auch schon so.\n\nSpeaker 3: Jetzt ist es halt aber einfacher und noch viel mehr Masse davon. Woher ist das nicht so viel\n\nSpeaker 1: passiert? Ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber es hat schon eine gewisse Ironie, dass wir hier im Podcast zusammensitzen in Person und darüber diskutieren, wie wichtig es ist, dass irgendwie Content von Menschen kommt oder halt nicht so. Also wer weiß, wer denn die Diskussion noch führen können?\n\nSpeaker 3: Geht's jetzt darum, uns als Katzen\n\nSpeaker 2: Wir, wir werden ja auch bald durch HR ersetzt so. Ich würd drüber viel zu viel Content von unseren Stimmen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich sag nee, nee Moment, meine Aussage ist nicht\n\nSpeaker 0: Dennis baut Studio aus, Alter.\n\nSpeaker 1: Sorry. Meine Aussage ist ja nicht, es es braucht keinen menschlichen Content mehr so. Ich glaub nur, dass die Klassifizierung das nämlich unbedingt braucht. True.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ironischerweise sind wahrscheinlich die LLM Anbieter am meisten daran interessiert zu wissen, was menschlicher Content ist, weil das natürlich für Trainingsdaten, das ist 'n ganz wichtiges. Oh mein Gott, da bin ich\n\nSpeaker 2: das eigentlich da. Alle gedribbelt, alle gedribbelt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Na ja, aber ich wünsche diesem Andreas Kurtberg viel Erfolg damit. Ach nee, das ist ja die Plattform. Wo ist\n\nSpeaker 2: die Plattform bergen.\n\nSpeaker 3: Gut, da steht aber der Name von dem Typen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Nein, Beto Doll, der Dealmeid. Oh sorry, der hat sogar auf seiner Webseite, wie man ihn phonetisch ausspricht. Warte ganz kurz.\n\nSpeaker 2: Garelt Mog. Beto,\n\nSpeaker 1: die Omayda, ja. Die. Oh, Beto, die Du weißt. Die Du weißt\n\nSpeaker 3: son geiler Hack irgendwie.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Aber was ist eure Meinung dazu? Schreibt's in die Kommentare, aktiviert die Glocke\n\nSpeaker 1: und folgt uns jetzt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Folgt rein.\n\nSpeaker 1: Stimmt, das können wir jetzt sagen,\n\nSpeaker 3: Alter, geil.\n\nSpeaker 1: Oh, vor allen Dingen, wenn wir die live,\n\nSpeaker 0: die Phänomenal. Ja, man. Nee, aber also Keine Ergänzung meinerseits, ich glaube\n\nSpeaker 2: jetzt rum. Spotify, bla bla.\n\nSpeaker 0: Weil Gackelt hat noch was.\n\nSpeaker 3: Oh, da ganz vergessen Speaking\n\nSpeaker 2: euch auch Content. Ich hab nur noch eine Minute Leute, wir müssen.\n\nSpeaker 3: Damit aber ganz schnell. Chrome hat eine neue Policy zum zur Back Button Nutzung eingeführt und zwar ist es ja so, dass es Webseiten gibt, die Malware, okay, sagen wir's anders. Wenn Du auf eine Webseite gehst und dann denkst Du, oh, die ist trap und Du drückst zurück und Du kommst nicht zurück. Wie fühlst Du dich dabei?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich bin 'n iOS Nutzer, ich hab keine Ahnung, wie ich fühle,\n\nSpeaker 1: verarscht. Verarsch.\n\nSpeaker 2: Oh ja, ja, ja, ja, genau, das wollte ich sagen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das passiert aber auch unter iOS.\n\nSpeaker 3: Es passiert auch unter iOS, weil das hat ja nichts, das hat ja was mit der Website zu tun. Das kannst Du auch auf Safarin machen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Oh, ich weiß, was Du meinst. Ja, okay. Das ist dieses Ich fühl verarscht.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ich weiß gar nicht, wie man das nennt, dieses Back Button. High Checking heißt\n\nSpeaker 0: es nicht.\n\nSpeaker 1: High Checking.\n\nSpeaker 3: High Checking. Danke. Und das ist schwer technisch zu verhindern so, weil Du kannst es, es gibt ja sehr valide Use Cases für dieses diese Funktionalität und was Chrome eben jetzt gesagt hat, ist, dass sie das in ihre Policy aufgenommen hat, dass das Malware ist, wenn Du das machst. Oh. Das heißt, was sie einfach damit dadurch machen können, ist, wenn sie feststellen, dass das passiert, können sie das Ranking in Google verändern.\n\nAlso das ist eigentlich alles, was passiert, wenn Du das machst und Google bekommt das mit, dann wirst Du schlechter gerankt. Das heißt, sie haben jetzt alle dazu eingeladen, sagen wir mal, das auszubauen aus ihrer Webseite. Ja. Und haben ihnen auch irgendwie 2 Monate Zeit gegeben dafür, genau. Aber in Zukunft ist es zumindest so, dass Du auf Google, wenn Du auf Google unterwegs bist, hoffentlich weniger von diesen Webseiten kriegen solltest.\n\nMhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Moment, aber auch die validen Use Cases, also keiner darf das mehr machen, oder?\n\nSpeaker 3: Nee, nee, nee, die also die validen sind schon okay, also es geht So was\n\nSpeaker 0: und die versuchen das zu unterscheiden einfach.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ja genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Sowas valides ist doch diese Redirect Sachen oder sowas irgendwie oder? Daran hab ich jetzt gerade gedacht oder hab ich den News Case gerade falsch im Kopf?\n\nSpeaker 3: Ja oder dass Du vielleicht noch mal sone Abfrage machst so, hey, Du hast grad ungespeicherte Änderungen oder sowas.\n\nSpeaker 1: Dass es\n\nSpeaker 3: so was bestimmte Situationen gibt, wo Du das wirklich Ja. Sinnvoll einsetzt. Ja. Ja, find ich gut, weil mich nervt das, dass son Problem im Internet was irgendwie nicht gelöst ist. Verstehst aber auch, dass das technisch schwierig ist.\n\nJa. Policy klingt richtig, aber fix ist natürlich einfach nicht überall. Ja, wenn Du nutzt, ist halt immer noch.\n\nSpeaker 1: So, wie die sogar auch.\n\nSpeaker 2: Boah, bars. Ich ich ich pflanz Bäume damit. Wie kannst Du das nennen? Na ja, eben. Na, Dünger?\n\nDünger?\n\nSpeaker 1: Spenn ich lieber Bäume.\n\nSpeaker 3: Machst Du's denn?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich such lieber meine Bäume zusammen. Ich mach das wie geil. Nein, ich\n\nSpeaker 1: hab sie gepflanzt sogar. Ja, es stimmt.\n\nSpeaker 3: Selbst bei engen Nuss beim Nussum.\n\nSpeaker 1: Oh, aber\n\nSpeaker 2: stimmt. Darf ich auch\n\nSpeaker 1: Lass mal drüber fahren.\n\nSpeaker 2: Einen Moment aufm Monstertrakt, der der dem Auto\n\nSpeaker 3: meinst Du. Alle.\n\nSpeaker 2: Lass Du reine Bäume.\n\nSpeaker 1: Entschuldigung, ja. Ich wollte sagen, lass mal hinfahren mitm Fahrrad und gucken, wie's unsere Wald geht.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ach ja, rüberfahren. Rüberfahren. Bis drüber. Mit dem Rad hinfahren. Mit dem Rad, damit wir keinen Sprit verschwinden.\n\nRad.\n\nSpeaker 1: Du bist so, Du bist so ökologisch so unterwegs, dass wir beim Rad hinfahren wollen.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ja, ja, deswegen mein ich's ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Gut, Abmoderation, Jan. Okay, lass uns mal anmoderation.\n\nSpeaker 0: Es gibt nicht mehr viel abzumoderieren, das ist schon fertig hier am Ende, glaub ich. Wenn ihr Fragen, Anmerkungen, Kritik habt, dann kommt immer gerne auf unser Discord Server, hinterlasst uns einen Kommentar auf allen möglichen Social Media Kanälen. Warum zeigen alle auf Dave?\n\nSpeaker 3: Weil sie eine E-Mail mit Dave schreiben sollen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Dick an Dave.\n\nSpeaker 2: Dick geht an mich. Ach so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Lob einmal an\n\nSpeaker 2: Dave at Programmierungen. Und ich beantworte alles.\n\nSpeaker 3: Schweiz gewissermaßen oder?\n\nSpeaker 2: Nee. Mit AI. Das sagt der AI. Bei mir ist Human Jason vorhanden, aber ich lass es nicht davon.\n\nSpeaker 0: Dann sehr schön, dass ich heute doch noch dabei sein konnte und wir hören uns\n\nSpeaker 1: Find ich's schön.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wochen wieder\n\nSpeaker 1: traurig an deiner Stelle.\n\nSpeaker 2: Dennis hat sogar für Jan geheult, by the way. Ich hab gesehen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich hab also ich hab mich auch richtig geärgert, dass mein Flug gecancelt wurde, aber ich hab's beste draus gemacht, nämlich die Zeit mit euch verbracht.\n\nSpeaker 3: Oh, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und was was ist schöner als das? Was ist schöner als das? Ja, so ist es. Nichts aufzählen und nichts aufzählen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und bis dahin.\n\nSpeaker 2: Tschau, tschau. Tschüssi, macht's gut. Schöne Woche im Mann.",[24618,24625,24628,24632,24637,24641,24646,24655,24660,24665,24669,24676,24680,24691,24701,24705,24709,24713,24718,24724,24730,24738,24745,24753,24760,24771,24776,24781,24788,24794,24801,24814,24820,24827,24836,24844,24849,24860,24867,24873,24884,24888,24892,24898,24903,24907,24915,24921,24932,24936,24943,24949,24961,24966,24970,24974,24978,24983,24987,24991,24998,25003,25006,25015,25020,25024,25028,25032,25039,25045,25051,25057,25061,25068,25072,25076,25083,25088,25101,25104,25117,25127,25135,25139,25145,25156,25160,25166,25172,25182,25195,25208,25221,25234,25246,25250,25254,25258,25262,25272,25276,25280,25288,25292,25296,25307,25320,25333,25338,25346,25350,25354,25358,25362,25365,25372,25376,25380,25386,25396,25399,25404,25411,25415,25426,25438,25451,25463,25476,25487,25493,25503,25507,25515,25519,25530,25533,25541,25547,25551,25559,25563,25567,25573,25577,25581,25594,25607,25617,25624,25628,25632,25636,25642,25646,25656,25660,25667,25671,25676,25683,25690,25694,25698,25702,25710,25714,25718,25723,25735,25739,25743,25747,25753,25758,25762,25766,25770,25774,25780,25784,25790,25794,25797,25801,25809,25813,25817,25821,25825,25828,25831,25835,25839,25845,25849,25853,25859,25862,25866,25870,25874,25886,25899,25908,25911,25919,25922,25928,25939,25943,25950,25954,25958,25963,25970,25977,25981,25988,25993,25997,26001,26007,26011,26020,26026,26031,26035,26039,26043,26047,26051,26059,26063,26075,26079,26083,26088,26101,26114,26118,26131,26135,26139,26143,26155,26164,26168,26179,26183,26190,26194,26198,26206,26210,26214,26226,26236,26240,26252,26258,26268,26278,26291,26296,26303,26309,26316,26320,26328,26332,26338,26344,26348,26354,26358,26364,26368,26372,26380,26387,26393,26401,26405,26409,26418,26423,26432,26436,26443,26447,26451,26455,26459,26463,26471,26477,26481,26485,26491,26501,26505,26509,26513,26517,26523,26531,26537,26541,26545,26554,26566,26569,26573,26577,26581,26585,26592,26596,26600,26611,26618,26622,26634,26637,26641,26645,26653,26659,26663,26667,26672,26676,26680,26685,26689,26695,26706,26709,26713,26717,26724,26732,26736,26740,26745,26749,26755,26759,26768,26772,26776,26780,26784,26790,26794,26798,26808,26812],{"sentences":24619,"speaker":144,"num_words":24624,"start":141,"end":307},[24620,24622],{"text":24621,"start":141,"end":202},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen Woche in der Programmierbau, heute schon in Kalenderwoche 26.",{"text":24623,"start":207,"end":307},"Wir haben eine sehr vollgepackte Sendung und für alle, die das Video sehen, die sehen, dass wir ein neues Studio haben, das ebenfalls sehr vollgepacktes mit Dennis, Dave",44,{"sentences":24626,"speaker":123,"num_words":123,"start":311,"end":312},[24627],{"text":315,"start":311,"end":312},{"sentences":24629,"speaker":144,"num_words":331,"start":317,"end":323},[24630],{"text":24631,"start":317,"end":323},"Und Garet.",{"sentences":24633,"speaker":331,"num_words":24636,"start":328,"end":363},[24634],{"text":24635,"start":328,"end":363},"Wann war ich dachte, wir stellt uns selbst vor.",9,{"sentences":24638,"speaker":123,"num_words":1291,"start":363,"end":377},[24639],{"text":24640,"start":363,"end":377},"Nee, das ist",{"sentences":24642,"speaker":144,"num_words":24645,"start":381,"end":444},[24643],{"text":24644,"start":381,"end":444},"Ja, ich das hat sich jetzt so angeboten, weil ihr da alle so auf dem Präsentierteller saß.",17,{"sentences":24647,"speaker":331,"num_words":24654,"start":444,"end":548},[24648,24650,24652],{"text":24649,"start":444,"end":499},"Aber das ist schon aber das ist schon interessant, weil Du hast Dennis, Dave, Garet gesagt.",{"text":24651,"start":499,"end":533},"Also Du bist nach irgendwie gar keinem Schema vorgegangen.",{"text":24653,"start":533,"end":548},"Also Ja, ich hab",29,{"sentences":24656,"speaker":144,"num_words":24659,"start":551,"end":621},[24657],{"text":24658,"start":551,"end":621},"mit Dennis angefangen, weil Dennis für mich in der Mitte, also so wie das Video bei mir ist, mit der Mitfragen, jetzt fängt",23,{"sentences":24661,"speaker":123,"num_words":24664,"start":621,"end":656},[24662],{"text":24663,"start":621,"end":656},"ja wieder einmal der der mittleren, die Ecke in der",10,{"sentences":24666,"speaker":144,"num_words":1291,"start":656,"end":668},[24667],{"text":24668,"start":656,"end":668},"Mitte, mittlere Ecke.",{"sentences":24670,"speaker":331,"num_words":24675,"start":671,"end":719},[24671,24673],{"text":24672,"start":671,"end":698},"Das Problem wollen wir doch einiges Sorgen.",{"text":24674,"start":703,"end":719},"Oh, jetzt ist es wieder.",12,{"sentences":24677,"speaker":123,"num_words":331,"start":719,"end":728},[24678],{"text":24679,"start":719,"end":728},"Und dann",{"sentences":24681,"speaker":144,"num_words":24690,"start":728,"end":874},[24682,24684,24685,24687,24688],{"text":24683,"start":728,"end":808},"darf ich irgendwie so Mist, ich muss alphabetisch weitermachen, also a erst Dave und dann Cari und dann war's vorbei, aber irgendwie alles.",{"text":815,"start":808,"end":813},{"text":24686,"start":813,"end":830},"Ja, ist aber wirklich vorbei.",{"text":836,"start":830,"end":834},{"text":24689,"start":838,"end":874},"Wir haben nicht nur ein vollgepacktes Studio, sondern auch eine vollgepackt Agenda.",42,{"sentences":24692,"speaker":144,"num_words":894,"start":874,"end":1124},[24693,24695,24697,24699],{"text":24694,"start":874,"end":1000},"Wir wollen sprechen über HTML und Canvas, über neue CMS Systeme von Cloud Player, über MDN, über Menschen in JSON Dokumenten und Garet hat noch was zum Google Ranking, Searchindex, wie auch immer mitgebracht.",{"text":24696,"start":1004,"end":1039},"Ich dachte, bevor wir hier einmal kurz deine Themen anfangen, Oh.",{"text":24698,"start":1045,"end":1095},"Heijack ich das hier kurz, einmal zu sagen, es war megacool aufm letzten Meet-up, oder?",{"text":24700,"start":1095,"end":1124},"Also ich fand's ultrakrass, wie viele Leute da",{"sentences":24702,"speaker":123,"num_words":331,"start":1128,"end":1135},[24703],{"text":24704,"start":1128,"end":1135},"Boah ey.",{"sentences":24706,"speaker":331,"num_words":1291,"start":1139,"end":1150},[24707],{"text":24708,"start":1139,"end":1150},"Ich gebuchter Weltmeister.",{"sentences":24710,"speaker":144,"num_words":1291,"start":1153,"end":1161},[24711],{"text":24712,"start":1153,"end":1161},"Ich war krank.",{"sentences":24714,"speaker":123,"num_words":24717,"start":1166,"end":1181},[24715],{"text":24716,"start":1166,"end":1181},"Ah, da ist es sehr.",5,{"sentences":24719,"speaker":331,"num_words":24645,"start":1181,"end":1239},[24720,24722],{"text":24721,"start":1181,"end":1211},"Ja, aber es war wirklich krass, Guddelt oder?",{"text":24723,"start":1214,"end":1239},"Krass, dass also wie krass Du das verpassen hast?",{"sentences":24725,"speaker":123,"num_words":24675,"start":1239,"end":1285},[24726,24728],{"text":24727,"start":1239,"end":1260},"Na ja, tatsächlich, also ja.",{"text":24729,"start":1260,"end":1285},"Weißt Du wie viele Leute da waren?",{"sentences":24731,"speaker":1291,"num_words":24737,"start":1285,"end":1358},[24732,24734,24735],{"text":24733,"start":1285,"end":1297},"Ja, über 90.",{"text":1303,"start":1301,"end":1302},{"text":24736,"start":1302,"end":1358},"Aber das wär ja auch mein Plädoyer immer, dass wir das endlich mal anfangen zu streamen einfach online.",22,{"sentences":24739,"speaker":123,"num_words":24744,"start":1361,"end":1555},[24740,24742],{"text":24741,"start":1361,"end":1377},"Ja, das ist 'n guter Punkt.",{"text":24743,"start":1381,"end":1555},"Hab ich ja auch drüber nachgedacht, wenn wir jetzt genug Leute haben und nicht mehr die Angst haben, dass die Leute dann zu faul sind und zu Hause sitzen bleiben, sondern halt genießen, dass sie hier sind, leckeres Essen bekommen miteinander networken, dann können wir auch den Podcasthörer*innen das zugängliche machen, entweder einen Livestream davon haben.",62,{"sentences":24746,"speaker":144,"num_words":24752,"start":1559,"end":1665},[24747,24748,24750],{"text":836,"start":1559,"end":1560},{"text":24749,"start":1560,"end":1650},"Das also zumindest ist das CMS ja auch schon aufgesetzt, dass wir die Aufnahme einfach hochladen können am Ende und die dann hier erscheint auf der Meet up Seite.",{"text":24751,"start":1650,"end":1665},"Das geht, wir haben",34,{"sentences":24754,"speaker":123,"num_words":24759,"start":1665,"end":1716},[24755,24757],{"text":24756,"start":1665,"end":1699},"noch Youtube und so weiter, wir sind doch technologisch, geht alles.",{"text":24758,"start":1699,"end":1716},"Wir müssen auf Play drücken.",16,{"sentences":24761,"speaker":331,"num_words":24659,"start":1720,"end":1798},[24762,24764,24765,24767,24769],{"text":24763,"start":1720,"end":1726},"Alles da.",{"text":836,"start":1726,"end":1729},{"text":24766,"start":1729,"end":1761},"Aber zu deiner Frage, Jan, es war wirklich crazy.",{"text":24768,"start":1761,"end":1785},"Also superviel los, ist richtig gute Speakerin.",{"text":24770,"start":1789,"end":1798},"Die Leute waren 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weniger.",82,{"sentences":25196,"speaker":331,"num_words":25207,"start":6235,"end":6494},[25197,25199,25201,25203,25205],{"text":25198,"start":6235,"end":6265},"So, dass halt irgendwie deine Leinwand, darauf zeichnest Du Pixel so.",{"text":25200,"start":6268,"end":6282},"Und das das das war's am Ende.",{"text":25202,"start":6282,"end":6400},"Du hast nicht so coole Sachen, die Du aus CSS kennst, so was wie Hover, Active Fokus, wo Du direkt weißt, ah okay, der User ist ja grade mit der Maus drüber oder hat's irgendwie grade berührt und so an an seinem Mobile Gerät.",{"text":25204,"start":6404,"end":6425},"Und viele Dinge sind einfach an Canvas oward, ne.",{"text":25206,"start":6425,"end":6494},"Auch irgendwie, wenn Du Texte reinbringst möchtest, Zeilenober und so, das kannst Du alles nicht so schön gestalten, weil's halt einfach auf Pixel 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da kann man jetzt 'n neues Element hinzufügen und zwar nennt sich das Layout Subt tree.",134,{"sentences":25222,"speaker":331,"num_words":25233,"start":6882,"end":7340},[25223,25225,25227,25229,25231],{"text":25224,"start":6882,"end":6957},"Und da kannst Du dann in diesem einfach alles anfügen, so was Du aus HTML kennst, also, irgendwelche Paragrafen, s v gs und so, ganz alles einfach dran machen.",{"text":25226,"start":6957,"end":7011},"Und was dann passiert ist, dass sich diese diese von diesem Canvas genauso verhalten, wie man das eigentlich aus HTML kennt.",{"text":25228,"start":7011,"end":7145},"Das heißt, auch in 'nem Stacking Kontext sind, sich danach auch ausschlüsseln und quasi wenn Du dann hast, das hat wieder weitere Elemente, dann auch genau in diesem Kontextblock sind und einfach diesen Baum dann so bilden, was schon mal sehr, sehr cool ist, weil Du's davor einfach nicht konntest.",{"text":25230,"start":7148,"end":7271},"Und jetzt kommt aber noch mal 'n bisschen der Unterschied, die verhalten sich auch so, als wären sie sichtbar, ja, also die nehmen auch den Platz dann ein in in in in in in der Struktur so, aber die werden erst dargestellt, wenn Du sie explizit zeichnen lässt, ne.",{"text":25232,"start":7271,"end":7340},"Also dann gibt's diese diese Funktion Element Image, das heißt, Du musst das dann auswählen von dem Canvas, dass genau dieses Element dann gezeichnet werden soll.",175,{"sentences":25235,"speaker":331,"num_words":25245,"start":7340,"end":7615},[25236,25238,25240,25242,25243],{"text":25237,"start":7340,"end":7357},"Dann und dann wird das dargestellt.",{"text":25239,"start":7361,"end":7398},"So und das Coole daran ist, dass der Browser sich jetzt nativ alle Sachen kümmert.",{"text":25241,"start":7398,"end":7522},"So, So, das heißt, Du musst nicht mal irgendwie sagen, okay, wie sieht das mit Responsivität aus, wie Dinge gehandelt werden, wann so das painting übernommen wird, sondern das macht der Browser alles nativ, weil der's ja eigentlich schon aus der HTML DOM Welt schon alles kennt.",{"text":4259,"start":7524,"end":7525},{"text":25244,"start":7527,"end":7615},"Das heißt, das verbindet son bisschen so diese diese superkrasse Rendergeschwindigkeit, die man durch Canvas hat und kombiniert das halt aber mit dieser Leichtigkeit von HTML und CSS und kann diese Element direkt auswählen.",103,{"sentences":25247,"speaker":123,"num_words":25067,"start":7618,"end":7667},[25248],{"text":25249,"start":7618,"end":7667},"Also pack ich dann einfach son Canvas Element dann hinter meine komplette Webseite und rappel einfach meine komplette Webseite darin.",{"sentences":25251,"speaker":1291,"num_words":331,"start":7670,"end":7674},[25252],{"text":25253,"start":7670,"end":7674},"Da kann",{"sentences":25255,"speaker":123,"num_words":24780,"start":7674,"end":7691},[25256],{"text":25257,"start":7674,"end":7691},"ich einfach überall zusätzlich was malen.",{"sentences":25259,"speaker":1291,"num_words":24902,"start":7694,"end":7724},[25260],{"text":25261,"start":7694,"end":7724},"Kann aber gut sein, dass das dann trotzdem unperformanter ist insgesamt.",{"sentences":25263,"speaker":331,"num_words":25271,"start":7728,"end":7825},[25264,25265,25267,25268,25270],{"text":836,"start":7728,"end":7729},{"text":25266,"start":7729,"end":7745},"Aber ist geil, aber Rainer.",{"text":815,"start":7749,"end":7750},{"text":25269,"start":7752,"end":7820},"Und in in den fand ich richtig cool, das wär jetzt cool, wenn man das auch so einblenden könnte, aber es gab so irgendwie so son Jelly Slider.",{"text":4259,"start":7824,"end":7825},36,{"sentences":25273,"speaker":331,"num_words":24780,"start":7828,"end":7844},[25274],{"text":25275,"start":7828,"end":7844},"Hast Du's grade deine Hand gemacht?",{"sentences":25277,"speaker":123,"num_words":24636,"start":7844,"end":7869},[25278],{"text":25279,"start":7844,"end":7869},"Ja, hier kommt das Bild dann in der Nähe.",{"sentences":25281,"speaker":331,"num_words":25165,"start":7869,"end":7923},[25282,25284,25286],{"text":25283,"start":7869,"end":7877},"Oh, praktisch.",{"text":25285,"start":7880,"end":7895},"Ja, das musst Du aber nachbearbeiten.",{"text":25287,"start":7899,"end":7923},"Und zwar ist das ganz cool, weil Du so son Slider",{"sentences":25289,"speaker":1291,"num_words":24775,"start":7927,"end":7950},[25290],{"text":25291,"start":7927,"end":7950},"Sag mal, dass der der, dass das aussieht.",{"sentences":25293,"speaker":123,"num_words":331,"start":7950,"end":7957},[25294],{"text":25295,"start":7950,"end":7957},"Ich will's",{"sentences":25297,"speaker":331,"num_words":25155,"start":7957,"end":8150},[25298,25299,25301,25303,25305],{"text":7961,"start":7957,"end":7959},{"text":25300,"start":7959,"end":7980},"Also ich ich versuch's auch mal zu beschreiben.",{"text":25302,"start":7980,"end":8054},"Also das ist son Slider, wie man den so quasi von Audioplayern kennt, also das ist halt irgendwie so Prozentanzeige und dann wie laut etwas ist.",{"text":25304,"start":8054,"end":8113},"Ja, und das ist aber ganz cool, weil das son Jelly Ding ist und sich dann so bewegt und das irgendwie sehr, sehr, sehr cool aussieht.",{"text":25306,"start":8115,"end":8150},"Genau und dann halt auch sone Dreidimensionalität reinbringt, was meganice ist.",{"sentences":25308,"speaker":331,"num_words":25319,"start":8150,"end":8594},[25309,25311,25313,25315,25317],{"text":25310,"start":8150,"end":8230},"Und was halt cool ist, Du kannst halt halt, weil das jetzt halt in HTML lebt, auch damit Tab direkt darauf zugreifen und den halt dann noch mit Pfeiltasten bewegen und so.",{"text":25312,"start":8230,"end":8311},"Das wär, mit kennen wir's einfach nicht möglich gewesen, einfach weil's jetzt wirklich 'n Slider ist, der hier angesprochen wird und heißt hast hast Du natürlich diese 3 D Möglichkeit einfach insgesamt.",{"text":25314,"start":8314,"end":8429},"Und das ist schon irgendwie ganz geil und natürlich jetzt Stichwort so Accessability, 'n Screenreader wird das auch erkennen und sagen, hey, der ist ein Slider, der hat den Wert ATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT meganice aus, ist direkt auch perfekt synchronisiert mit deinem Code.",{"text":25316,"start":8429,"end":8538},"Das heißt, Du kannst diese Werte dann auch dann einfach direkt zugreifen und musst nicht irgendwie auch gut drauf achten, wie Du's davor gemacht hast, irgendwie son Canvas und dann unsichtbares HTML Element, dass das irgendwie so nachspiegelt, sondern das ist halt perfekt direkt da.",{"text":25318,"start":8540,"end":8594},"Und ist jetzt natürlich cool, dass durch dieses einfach so versucht wird, 'n sauberen nativen Standard einzubringen für dieses Canvas mit HTML.",172,{"sentences":25321,"speaker":331,"num_words":25332,"start":8598,"end":8767},[25322,25324,25326,25328,25330],{"text":25323,"start":8598,"end":8613},"Also da gibt's viele verschiedene Beispiele.",{"text":25325,"start":8613,"end":8636},"Ich fand diesen, ist leider sehr, sehr cool.",{"text":25327,"start":8636,"end":8703},"Der sieht irgendwie richtig nice aus, auch wie Du son Schatten wirft und das Licht bricht und gleichzeitig halt, wie easy das dann auch machbar ist.",{"text":25329,"start":8703,"end":8730},"Da ist auch in dem Proposal immer noch der Code angegeben.",{"text":25331,"start":8734,"end":8767},"Würd ich einfach mal sagen, kann sich jeder anschauen, einfach mal selbst bisschen rumexperimentieren.",65,{"sentences":25334,"speaker":331,"num_words":25337,"start":8771,"end":8856},[25335],{"text":25336,"start":8771,"end":8856},"Würd natürlich auch vermutlich noch etwas dauern, also ist jetzt grad 'n Proposal, bis das durch ist, wird's wahrscheinlich Monate oder Jahre dauern, aber Wie krass, dass das in Chrome halt schon verfügbar",33,{"sentences":25339,"speaker":1291,"num_words":24800,"start":8856,"end":8901},[25340,25342,25344],{"text":25341,"start":8856,"end":8870},"ist, wenn's noch 'n Proposal ist?",{"text":25343,"start":8870,"end":8895},"Also kommt das dann auch von Chrome Leuten oder was?",{"text":25345,"start":8895,"end":8901},"Also ich",{"sentences":25347,"speaker":123,"num_words":331,"start":8901,"end":8908},[25348],{"text":25349,"start":8901,"end":8908},"glaub wie",{"sentences":25351,"speaker":1291,"num_words":24848,"start":8908,"end":8919},[25352],{"text":25353,"start":8908,"end":8919},"das schon eingebaut hat.",{"sentences":25355,"speaker":331,"num_words":24902,"start":8922,"end":8950},[25356],{"text":25357,"start":8922,"end":8950},"Alles, was mit Web zu tun hat, immer im Chrome irgendwie.",{"sentences":25359,"speaker":1291,"num_words":24942,"start":8950,"end":8984},[25360],{"text":25361,"start":8950,"end":8984},"Da werden wahrscheinlich viel Leute von Google sitzen, die an Chrome arbeiten, die da",{"sentences":25363,"speaker":144,"num_words":123,"start":8987,"end":8988},[25364],{"text":8991,"start":8987,"end":8988},{"sentences":25366,"speaker":123,"num_words":25371,"start":8993,"end":9082},[25367,25369],{"text":25368,"start":8993,"end":9025},"Wie das Ganze funktioniert, haben wir schon mal in 1 Programmierbarfolge besprochen.",{"text":25370,"start":9028,"end":9082},"Ich kann dir jetzt leider auch die Nummer nicht verlinken, vielleicht kann das ja auch noch mal im Hintergrund recherchieren.",32,{"sentences":25373,"speaker":331,"num_words":331,"start":9082,"end":9092},[25374],{"text":25375,"start":9082,"end":9092},"Wer Referenz?",{"sentences":25377,"speaker":1291,"num_words":24848,"start":9096,"end":9106},[25378],{"text":25379,"start":9096,"end":9106},"Auch Ist kein Thema,",{"sentences":25381,"speaker":144,"num_words":24866,"start":9106,"end":9142},[25382,25384],{"text":25383,"start":9106,"end":9133},"weil wir besprechen das bald auch noch mal in der Programmierbarfolge.",{"text":25385,"start":9136,"end":9142},"Von daher,",{"sentences":25387,"speaker":331,"num_words":24752,"start":9146,"end":9228},[25388,25390,25392,25394],{"text":25389,"start":9146,"end":9161},"ja, auf jeden Fall sehr cool.",{"text":25391,"start":9161,"end":9185},"Sollte man sich mal anschauen und einfach 'n bisschen rumprobieren.",{"text":25393,"start":9185,"end":9221},"Also ich fand das also einfach sehr spannend, wie wie zugänglich das jetzt insgesamt ist.",{"text":25395,"start":9221,"end":9228},"Ist ist cool.",{"sentences":25397,"speaker":123,"num_words":123,"start":9230,"end":9231},[25398],{"text":9234,"start":9230,"end":9231},{"sentences":25400,"speaker":331,"num_words":24780,"start":9237,"end":9258},[25401,25403],{"text":25402,"start":9237,"end":9253},"Wuy hatte Programmierer ein Message.",{"text":9259,"start":9253,"end":9258},{"sentences":25405,"speaker":144,"num_words":24902,"start":9261,"end":9288},[25406,25407,25409],{"text":9264,"start":9261,"end":9262},{"text":25408,"start":9262,"end":9273},"Das das nächste Gif.",{"text":25410,"start":9273,"end":9288},"Das ist einfach das nächste Gif.",{"sentences":25412,"speaker":331,"num_words":1291,"start":9291,"end":9299},[25413],{"text":25414,"start":9291,"end":9299},"Und schöner davon.",{"sentences":25416,"speaker":144,"num_words":25425,"start":9303,"end":9505},[25417,25418,25419,25421,25423],{"text":9307,"start":9303,"end":9304},{"text":9312,"start":9310,"end":9311},{"text":25420,"start":9315,"end":9346},"Schauen wir schauen wir mal, ob ihr die nächste Message auch approved.",{"text":25422,"start":9350,"end":9470},"Ich hab was von Cloudflare dabei und das ist veröffentlicht worden am ersten April und ich muss auch sagen, meine erste Reaktion war, wie Dave bei uns im Chat auch so, ist das ernst gemeint oder ist das nur son erster April Scherz, so, ja?",{"text":25424,"start":9473,"end":9505},"Und böse gesagt, könnte man sagen, die Wahrheit liegt wahrscheinlich irgendwo dazwischen.",71,{"sentences":25427,"speaker":144,"num_words":24690,"start":9508,"end":9635},[25428,25430,25432,25434,25436],{"text":25429,"start":9508,"end":9537},"Also wenn man wenn man Cloudflare fragt, ist das sehr ernst gemeint.",{"text":25431,"start":9537,"end":9564},"Wenn man andere Leute fragt, müssen wir vielleicht noch mal draufschauen.",{"text":25433,"start":9564,"end":9574},"Aber was ist passiert?",{"text":25435,"start":9577,"end":9591},"Cloudflare hat Mdash vorgestellt.",{"text":25437,"start":9594,"end":9635},"Mdash ist Cloudflares Versuch, einen selbst betitelten Nachfolger für WordPress vorzustellen.",{"sentences":25439,"speaker":144,"num_words":25450,"start":9638,"end":10147},[25440,25442,25444,25446,25448],{"text":25441,"start":9638,"end":9703},"WordPress ja irgendwie das CMS, was je nachdem, wen man so fragt, die Hälfte des Internets betreibt oder 'n bisschen mehr oder 'n bisschen weniger.",{"text":25443,"start":9706,"end":9818},"Und auch immer dadurch in den Schlagzeilen, dass es ja quasi eine Sicherheitslücke nach der anderen in WordPress gibt und da fairerweise nicht in WordPress selbst oder nicht immer in WordPress selbst, sondern sehr oft auch in den Plug ins, die es halt dafür gibt.",{"text":25445,"start":9818,"end":10029},"Und das ist genau der Punkt, wo Cloudflare ansetzt und sagt, so wir bauen hier ein CMS mit 1 vollkommen neuen Plug in Architektur, nämlich nutzen sie Cloudflyer Dynamic Workers und fahren quasi für jedes Plug in einen eigenen isolierten Worker Prozess hoch, der quasi nur sehr beschränkte Berechtigung hat, also mit 'nem mit 'ner Direktive quasi verbunden ist, die dann halt nur genau diese Sachen ausführen darf, die für das Plug in erforderlich sind.",{"text":25447,"start":10029,"end":10081},"Gibt's dann son sone Scope Konfiguration pro Plug in, ne, was was muss mein Plug in hier irgendwie können?",{"text":25449,"start":10081,"end":10147},"Muss das, weiß nicht, Posts lesen dürfen, Posts bearbeiten dürfen, muss das auf meine User zugreifen können, auf meinen E-Mail-Messagingdienst, was auch immer.",187,{"sentences":25452,"speaker":144,"num_words":1868,"start":10150,"end":10570},[25453,25455,25457,25459,25461],{"text":25454,"start":10150,"end":10178},"Und das wird dann alles in sonem isolated scope halt ausgeführt.",{"text":25456,"start":10181,"end":10203},"Das Ganze baut son bisschen auf Astro auf.",{"text":25458,"start":10203,"end":10371},"Sie nutzen quasi Astro zum Rendern und haben mit MDACH 'n eigenes CMS Backend für Astro geschrieben, weil sie halt gesagt haben, WordPress ist halt nicht mehr zeitgemäß, weil das quasi auf dieser ganzen in Anführungszeichen modernen, da da kommen die Daumen von Dennis schon hoch, weil WordPress nicht mehr zeitgemäß, weil das eben auf dieser ganzen modernen Architektur nicht mehr läuft, ja?",{"text":25460,"start":10371,"end":10508},"Wenn man sich anguckt, wie viel von Wessel, Cloudflyer und so weiter halt mittlerweile so auf Serverless Infrastruktur setzen, das ist halt mit WordPress irgend 'n bisschen schwieriger, weil's halt oftmals noch am Pfeilsystem hängt et cetera et cetera und das wollten sie halt alles loswerden.",{"text":25462,"start":10511,"end":10570},"So, jetzt kommen wir da son bisschen hin, wo man sagen muss, ja, technisch ist das sicherlich von der Architektur irgendwie 'n cooler Ansatz zu sagen.",{"sentences":25464,"speaker":144,"num_words":25475,"start":10570,"end":10874},[25465,25467,25469,25471,25473],{"text":25466,"start":10570,"end":10616},"Wir setzen auf auf Server lässt und natürlich funktioniert das auch alles mit diesen Cloud Verdiensten ganz gut.",{"text":25468,"start":10616,"end":10646},"Man kann das aber auch bei sich selber hosten, alles alles gut.",{"text":25470,"start":10649,"end":10760},"Aber der eine große Knackpunkt, nämlich dieses wir bauen eine neuartige Plug in Infrastruktur, funktioniert halt nur, wenn Du's auf Cloudflare betreibst und auch nur, wenn Du kostenpflichtige Cloudflare Dienste nutzt, nämlich genau diese Dynamic Workers, das ist genau der Punkt.",{"text":25472,"start":10760,"end":10809},"Das gibt es nicht in irgend 'nem Free Teer oder mit irgendwelchen Useage Caps oder so was.",{"text":25474,"start":10809,"end":10874},"Das geht nur in, gibt es Cloudflair und gibt Cloudflair deine Kreditkarte und sie lassen das so oft laufen, wie's halt eben notwendig ist.",112,{"sentences":25477,"speaker":144,"num_words":25486,"start":10876,"end":11229},[25478,25480,25482,25484],{"text":25479,"start":10876,"end":10961},"Und das ist so das, wo viele dann schon sehr skeptisch draufguckt haben und gesagt haben, na ja, also was was Cloudfare im Prinzip damit baut, ist halt son eigener Market für sich.",{"text":25481,"start":10961,"end":11037},"Ja, also sie sie bauen im Prinzip technisch cooles Tooling, das Du aber halt nur benutzen kannst, wenn Du noch mehr Geld bei bei Cloud verlässt am Ende des Tages.",{"text":25483,"start":11040,"end":11092},"Und das, also natürlich, ne, Cloudfair, große Company, die haben natürlich 'n legitimes Interesse daran Geld zu verdienen.",{"text":25485,"start":11092,"end":11229},"Das soll gar nicht, soll man ihnen gar nicht ankreiden, aber dann halt zu sagen, das ist so der Nachfolger für WordPress, was so das offene CMS schlechthin ist und dann sage ich, das läuft übrigens wirklich gut, nur auf unserer proprietären Infrastruktur, das ist halt son bisschen son bisschen schwierig.",132,{"sentences":25488,"speaker":1291,"num_words":24664,"start":11229,"end":11260},[25489,25491],{"text":25490,"start":11229,"end":11245},"Das ist dein Aprilscherz, Moment.",{"text":25492,"start":11248,"end":11260},"Ja, kann ich's noch vollziehen.",{"sentences":25494,"speaker":144,"num_words":25502,"start":11263,"end":11389},[25495,25497,25499,25500],{"text":25496,"start":11263,"end":11274},"Ja, ja, was heißt Aprilscherz?",{"text":25498,"start":11278,"end":11364},"Also es gibt noch 2 andere Punkte, der der andere Punkt ist, ich hab's mir mal angeguckt, ich hab's bei mir mal installiert und ich hab ungefähr zweieinhalb Minuten gebraucht, um's kaputtzukriegen.",{"text":1042,"start":11368,"end":11369},{"text":25501,"start":11373,"end":11389},"Indem ich einfach Das wär ja ja.",45,{"sentences":25504,"speaker":123,"num_words":331,"start":11392,"end":11398},[25505],{"text":25506,"start":11392,"end":11398},"Ein ein",{"sentences":25508,"speaker":144,"num_words":24690,"start":11398,"end":11516},[25509,25511,25513],{"text":25510,"start":11398,"end":11409},"Asset hochgeladen hab.",{"text":25512,"start":11412,"end":11506},"Ein ein Bild hochgeladen hab und dann gesagt hab, ich werde gerne dieses Bild in einem Blogpost verwenden und dann ist es einfach abgeschmiert und gesagt hat, oh, ich hab meine Datenbank korruptiert und das reproduzierbar 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sehen, dass sie Expertise in diesen Dingen hatten und die dann auch klug eingesetzt haben, sehr viel Performance für ihr Produkt oder ihre Webseite rauszuholen und das fand ich cool zu sehen, dass sie so von React weggehen und eher so in diese, ja, in ihre Expertise eigentlich reingehen und für mich ist das eigentlich schon länger 'n Thema, ob überhaupt noch Frameworks auch in der AI Welt so relevant sind oder so sinnvoll und nicht viel mehr Richtung Web Components gehen sollte,",{"sentences":25920,"speaker":123,"num_words":123,"start":16206,"end":16207},[25921],{"text":414,"start":16206,"end":16207},{"sentences":25923,"speaker":1291,"num_words":24659,"start":16207,"end":16264},[25924,25926],{"text":25925,"start":16207,"end":16227},"son Standard einfach langlebiger ist, robuster ist.",{"text":25927,"start":16229,"end":16264},"Und ich fand's cool zu sehen, dass Sie das gemacht haben und sehr happy damit waren.",{"sentences":25929,"speaker":144,"num_words":25938,"start":16267,"end":16439},[25930,25931,25933,25935,25936],{"text":836,"start":16267,"end":16268},{"text":25932,"start":16271,"end":16367},"Also da hat natürlich auch, das spielt wahrscheinlich auch rein, dass Mozilla halt son eigenes Interesse auch hat, ne, Web Componants zu pushen, weil es natürlich ihre, also ihrem Browser die Arbeit leichter macht am Ende des Tages auch.",{"text":25934,"start":16370,"end":16403},"Aber ist cool, dass es halt son cooler proof ist, dass es halt einfach gut funktioniert.",{"text":16409,"start":16407,"end":16408},{"text":25937,"start":16408,"end":16439},"Und wie Du sagst, es liest sich ja auch schon sinnvoll so.",69,{"sentences":25940,"speaker":144,"num_words":24664,"start":16441,"end":16464},[25941],{"text":25942,"start":16441,"end":16464},"Also hätten sie jetzt nicht gemacht, nur das machen 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doch.",{"text":25987,"start":16710,"end":16725},"Du hast 'n Microsoft verfolgt.",{"sentences":25989,"speaker":123,"num_words":24717,"start":16729,"end":16740},[25990,25992],{"text":25991,"start":16729,"end":16737},"Ja, sag ich doch.",{"text":836,"start":16737,"end":16740},{"sentences":25994,"speaker":331,"num_words":331,"start":16740,"end":16745},[25995],{"text":25996,"start":16740,"end":16745},"Das war",{"sentences":25998,"speaker":144,"num_words":1291,"start":16745,"end":16754},[25999],{"text":26000,"start":16745,"end":16754},"das andere Microsoft.",{"sentences":26002,"speaker":331,"num_words":24717,"start":16758,"end":16771},[26003,26005],{"text":26004,"start":16758,"end":16764},"Das andere Microsoft.",{"text":26006,"start":16767,"end":16771},"Wie heißt",{"sentences":26008,"speaker":123,"num_words":24780,"start":16771,"end":16786},[26009],{"text":26010,"start":16771,"end":16786},"immer die, die bei Microsoft 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das nennt sich Human Punkt Jason.",{"text":26056,"start":17092,"end":17170},"Und die Problematik, die dort erkannt wird, ist, dass immer mehr Teile des Internets aus AI SLP bestehen und halt keiner mehr seine Sachen irgendwie richtig selbst schreibt.",{"text":26058,"start":17174,"end":17287},"Und dieses Protokoll sollte aber unterstützen, praktisch zu verifizieren, dass Content noch von Menschen gemacht ist, indem und das ist halt irgendwie dann halt auch wieder so Social proof, indem man halt irgendwie sagt, okay, also zum einen selbst deklariert, ey, ich, das ist menschengeschrieben,",{"sentences":26060,"speaker":1291,"num_words":331,"start":17291,"end":17295},[26061],{"text":26062,"start":17291,"end":17295},"was hier",{"sentences":26064,"speaker":123,"num_words":26074,"start":17295,"end":17715},[26065,26067,26069,26071,26072],{"text":26066,"start":17295,"end":17559},"auf dieser Seite passiert und dafür gibt's dann halt son Marktdown oder die halt diese JSON, in der man das dann deklarieren kann, dass das so ist und dann gibt's halt noch son System, wo man praktisch so sagen kann, ungleichzeitig sage ich auch noch diese und diese Seite ist auch von Menschen gemacht und gibt da praktisch diesen diesen Proof und dadurch entsteht sonen sonen Graph aus diesen Verknüpfungen und je mehr Verknüpfungen praktisch dich verifizieren und so, ach, Du bist auch ein Mensch, der das schreibt, desto höher wird dein desto höher wird dein Score, der sagt, wie menschlich Du noch bist.",{"text":26068,"start":17563,"end":17600},"Nicht wie menschlich Du noch bist, wie sicher es ist, dass Du als Menschshot schreibst.",{"text":26070,"start":17603,"end":17695},"Genau und da gibt's dann tatsächlich einen, ja, einen einen Chrome und sonstige Plug ins, wo Du das halt angezeigt bekommst, wo Du eine kleine Ampel ist so, wie safe ist es, dass hier Menschen arbeiten.",{"text":4259,"start":17699,"end":17700},{"text":26073,"start":17704,"end":17715},"Ja, so schön, so 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sagen, also geht's nicht am Ende die Qualität?",{"text":26097,"start":17887,"end":17947},"Also ich hab doch nicht so viel davon, das jetzt sagen zu können, okay, das war jetzt auf jeden Fall ein Mensch, der das geschrieben hat.",{"text":26099,"start":17947,"end":18101},"Ich muss doch irgendwie die Qualität davon beurteilen und wenn das halt jemand ist, dem ich schon lange folge und irgendwann fängt der an und die Artikel hören sich alle gleich an und überall sind nur Gedankenstriche drin, Dann kann ich halt aufhören, dann kann ich halt aufhören, das zu lesen oder mir zu denken, okay, das ist kein guter Inhalt, aber Ja.",144,{"sentences":26102,"speaker":123,"num_words":26113,"start":18103,"end":18328},[26103,26105,26107,26109,26111],{"text":26104,"start":18103,"end":18109},"Geht's nicht.",{"text":26106,"start":18109,"end":18214},"Und und wenn jetzt da eine ist, die genau in dem gleichen Ton, laut dem gleichen Ste, genau in den gleichen Informationstiefe wie die Quelle, die Du gerne hattest, schreibst so, warum interessiert dich das, dass das von der AI geschrieben wurde?",{"text":26108,"start":18214,"end":18232},"Wenn es auch gesteuert ist und davon.",{"text":26110,"start":18234,"end":18266},"Und also ich ich ich weiß, gerade Du hast hoffentlich eine andere Meinung.",{"text":26112,"start":18269,"end":18328},"Ich lege da irgendwie nicht so viel Wert drin, Vor allen Dingen das so zu, ja, das dann noch so zu deklarieren und so.",88,{"sentences":26115,"speaker":123,"num_words":24866,"start":18328,"end":18363},[26116],{"text":26117,"start":18328,"end":18363},"Also das ist jetzt 'n Gütesiegel für, das wurde noch von Menschen gemacht.",{"sentences":26119,"speaker":1291,"num_words":26130,"start":18366,"end":18620},[26120,26122,26124,26126,26128],{"text":26121,"start":18366,"end":18401},"Also ich geborene dir recht, dass es am Ende die Qualität des Artikels geht.",{"text":26123,"start":18404,"end":18424},"Ich glaube, es ist son bisschen wie bei Code 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ist.",{"sentences":26169,"speaker":331,"num_words":24826,"start":19105,"end":19229},[26170,26172,26174,26175,26177],{"text":26171,"start":19105,"end":19154},"Wollte ich, na, aber wollte ich grad sagen, weil das wird ja in keiner Form irgendwie verifiziert, oder?",{"text":26173,"start":19154,"end":19182},"Du kannst ja was sagen, ja, ich hab dieses Human Punkt Json so.",{"text":836,"start":19182,"end":19185},{"text":26176,"start":19185,"end":19218},"Oder kannst dir trotzdem alles a I generated auf deiner Website lassen.",{"text":26178,"start":19218,"end":19229},"Genau, aber das Ding",{"sentences":26180,"speaker":123,"num_words":24717,"start":19229,"end":19243},[26181],{"text":26182,"start":19229,"end":19243},"ist ja das Aber es",{"sentences":26184,"speaker":144,"num_words":25165,"start":19243,"end":19293},[26185,26187,26188],{"text":26186,"start":19243,"end":19259},"geht ja nicht deine Human Json.",{"text":19267,"start":19263,"end":19264},{"text":26189,"start":19264,"end":19293},"Es geht 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hab.",{"text":26225,"start":19709,"end":19745},"Aber was ist, wenn jemand so so diesen Grammerly Modus einfach nur nutzt, ne?",{"sentences":26227,"speaker":144,"num_words":25425,"start":19745,"end":19926},[26228,26230,26232,26234],{"text":26229,"start":19745,"end":19831},"Ich hab das ja schon zu 99 Prozent geschrieben, aber ich bin halt ich bin kein Native Speaker, lass doch noch mal drüber schauen, kannst Du mir bei der ein oder anderen Formulierung helfen.",{"text":26231,"start":19834,"end":19850},"Wo fällt das halt irgendwie alles rein?",{"text":26233,"start":19850,"end":19878},"Und das, finde ich, ist halt son bisschen schwierig dann.",{"text":26235,"start":19881,"end":19926},"Weil es gibt ja schon vielleicht legitime Use Cases selbst für Leute, die jetzt komplett AI generierten Content irgendwie ablehnen.",{"sentences":26237,"speaker":123,"num_words":25087,"start":19929,"end":20002},[26238],{"text":26239,"start":19929,"end":20002},"Gut, Sie schreiben am Anfang, Und ich mein, wenn da steht, dann schließt das meine Art nicht aus, dass Du einnullst, deine Grammatik zu korrigieren.",{"sentences":26241,"speaker":331,"num_words":26251,"start":20006,"end":20172},[26242,26244,26246,26248,26249],{"text":26243,"start":20006,"end":20113},"Aber ja, ich würde aber trotzdem mit Dennis mitgehen, mit der ersten Annahme so, wenn's halt, also es wird ja auch explizit grade gesagt so, Wenn's kacke ist, also geht die auch nie mehr drauf, dann hat es auch keinen Traffic so.",{"text":26245,"start":20113,"end":20144},"Und denk mir so, wenn's aber mal geil gemacht ist und es Oh.",{"text":26247,"start":20147,"end":20157},"Weiß nicht, ne?",{"text":836,"start":20159,"end":20160},{"text":26250,"start":20163,"end":20172},"Also das ist so.",63,{"sentences":26253,"speaker":144,"num_words":24902,"start":20176,"end":20202},[26254,26256],{"text":26255,"start":20176,"end":20189},"Verdient schon viel Geld im Moment.",{"text":26257,"start":20189,"end":20202},"Das kann man nicht 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